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« on: July 08, 2021, 06:14:42 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2021, 10:47:48 PM »

Republicans try to cut taxes and regulations all the time. How else do you propose to sustainably help poor people?

"cut taxes" uhh...yeah, that extra $36 a year will really bring them out of poverty huh?  I believe that was the average saving for middle class people from the 2017 cuts (and conveniently those are temporary).

I don't see how cutting regulations is supposed to help poor people, the only regulations they cut help big business.    If the regulation helps keep poor people down like regs limiting unionization or marijuana prohibition the Republicans always seem happy to keep the system in place.

Regulations keep big businesses afloat by removing their competition: small businesses who cannot compete with them. Having many small businesses do something rather than one large corporation will tend to employ more people and give consumers (who are often poor) more choices and greater satisfaction.

Cutting taxes for businesses will also allow them to hire more, as recent American history has repeatedly shown.

I don't want to say Republicans are perfect (very, very far from it), but Democrats rarely suggest these tried-and-true solutions at all (though, to their credit, not never).

To argue that big businesses don't strenuously put for government deregulation at every turn possible chose a truly astonishing level of ignorance regarding history, as well as the modern-day world.

There are people who I disagree with, and then there are people who have just mind blowing levels of self-delusion.



The reason America became far greater than any European nation in history is cause of our emphasis on individual freedom which includes the free market
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2021, 02:41:15 PM »

Republicans try to cut taxes and regulations all the time. How else do you propose to sustainably help poor people?

"cut taxes" uhh...yeah, that extra $36 a year will really bring them out of poverty huh?  I believe that was the average saving for middle class people from the 2017 cuts (and conveniently those are temporary).

I don't see how cutting regulations is supposed to help poor people, the only regulations they cut help big business.    If the regulation helps keep poor people down like regs limiting unionization or marijuana prohibition the Republicans always seem happy to keep the system in place.

Regulations keep big businesses afloat by removing their competition: small businesses who cannot compete with them. Having many small businesses do something rather than one large corporation will tend to employ more people and give consumers (who are often poor) more choices and greater satisfaction.

Cutting taxes for businesses will also allow them to hire more, as recent American history has repeatedly shown.

I don't want to say Republicans are perfect (very, very far from it), but Democrats rarely suggest these tried-and-true solutions at all (though, to their credit, not never).

To argue that big businesses don't strenuously put for government deregulation at every turn possible chose a truly astonishing level of ignorance regarding history, as well as the modern-day world.

There are people who I disagree with, and then there are people who have just mind blowing levels of self-delusion.



The reason America became far greater than any European nation in history is cause of our emphasis on individual freedom which includes the free market

I'd argue there are a number of important things that objectively are better in most European countries. A more robust social safety net, nearly 100% healthcare coverage in a public-private system, paid sick leave, paid family leave, better protections for employees and workers, better public transportation, especially highspeed rail, a smaller prison population and much higher voter turnout (or voting in general). Just to name a few.

The US is better in individualism and promoting innovation though. A raw comparison between an European country and the US is hardly possible in terms of absolute numbers. You'd have to compare the EU as whole then.


Well for some of your points id say there are tradoffs though like while there are more protections for employees and workers that also means it makes it harder for career advancement too for employees too which then does limit innovation as its those employees who advance quickly who many times make the innovation.

As for public transportation, a huge reason why its much better in Europe is due to the fact that European nations generally are much more urban than the US and imo a suburban environment is better for raising families than an urban one . Reasons for that is suburbs have more "low rise" style apartments that give kids more room to play and adults more room to walk, generally are safer in terms of crime and are much cheaper as well.



I will agree though Europe is better when it comes to Healthcare than the US but I do prefer the other aspects of American society more.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2021, 03:18:28 PM »

Republicans try to cut taxes and regulations all the time. How else do you propose to sustainably help poor people?

"cut taxes" uhh...yeah, that extra $36 a year will really bring them out of poverty huh?  I believe that was the average saving for middle class people from the 2017 cuts (and conveniently those are temporary).

I don't see how cutting regulations is supposed to help poor people, the only regulations they cut help big business.    If the regulation helps keep poor people down like regs limiting unionization or marijuana prohibition the Republicans always seem happy to keep the system in place.

Regulations keep big businesses afloat by removing their competition: small businesses who cannot compete with them. Having many small businesses do something rather than one large corporation will tend to employ more people and give consumers (who are often poor) more choices and greater satisfaction.

Cutting taxes for businesses will also allow them to hire more, as recent American history has repeatedly shown.

I don't want to say Republicans are perfect (very, very far from it), but Democrats rarely suggest these tried-and-true solutions at all (though, to their credit, not never).

To argue that big businesses don't strenuously put for government deregulation at every turn possible chose a truly astonishing level of ignorance regarding history, as well as the modern-day world.

There are people who I disagree with, and then there are people who have just mind blowing levels of self-delusion.



The reason America became far greater than any European nation in history is cause of our emphasis on individual freedom which includes the free market

I'd argue there are a number of important things that objectively are better in most European countries. A more robust social safety net, nearly 100% healthcare coverage in a public-private system, paid sick leave, paid family leave, better protections for employees and workers, better public transportation, especially highspeed rail, a smaller prison population and much higher voter turnout (or voting in general). Just to name a few.

The US is better in individualism and promoting innovation though. A raw comparison between an European country and the US is hardly possible in terms of absolute numbers. You'd have to compare the EU as whole then.


Well for some of your points id say there are tradoffs though like while there are more protections for employees and workers that also means it makes it harder for career advancement too for employees too which then does limit innovation as its those employees who advance quickly who many times make the innovation.

As for public transportation, a huge reason why its much better in Europe is due to the fact that European nations generally are much more urban than the US and imo a suburban environment is better for raising families than an urban one . Reasons for that is suburbs have more "low rise" style apartments that give kids more room to play and adults more room to walk, generally are safer in terms of crime and are much cheaper as well.



I will agree though Europe is better when it comes to Healthcare than the US but I do prefer the other aspects of American society more.

I'm surprised you agree on healthcare.

I don't disagree public transportation can't exactly be the same due to the grade of urbanization, I just find it sad the US is the only major country not having nationwide highspeed rail (Japan certainly ranks first here, Europe needs to invest more as well). Joe Biden's infrastructure package is certainly a great start here.

I dont think a European Model would work here other than a Denmark version but the results are still better in Europe than they are here so Id give them the edge here.


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