When was the last election where D nominee was more right than the R?

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1904, though you could make a case for 1992 as the Clinton presidency was to the right of HW's(though as a nominee and personally, he was still to the left of HW).


1904 though is the only election since 1896 where I would say the Democratic Nominee was to the right of the Republican one. 1924 would have been another one in any other case since John Davis was probably the 2nd most right-wing Nominee of a Major Party we have had since 1896, its just that his opponent was the most Right wing Nominee(Calvin Coolidge)

Before 1896 is a different story though as the Democratic Nominee was to the right of the Republican one in every election from 1856-1872 and from 1876-1892 there really wasnt much of a difference at all between the parties .  

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Calvin Coolidge supported child labor laws and John W. Davis opposed them.

Not really:

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And in 1924 he was the President so his record as President is more important

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#Industry_and_trade

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Calvin Coolidge supported child labor laws and John W. Davis opposed them.

Not really:

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And in 1924 he was the President so his record as President is more important

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#Industry_and_trade

"opposed child labor" is the opposite of "opposed child labor laws". Davis also opposed mining safetly laws.

Read the whole sentence again especially the last one

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Good Ol' Grover (1892).  Though, I could make an argument for never, which would really fly against conventional wisdom.

How is 1904 not an answer, Alton B Parker was basically a Grover Cleveland style Dem

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1904 or 1924 for economic issues, either 1960 or 2000 for foreign policy, and either 1940, 1944, 1960, or 1976 for social issues.

Coolidge is probably the most Economically right wing nominee probably ever

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Prior to Franklin Roosevelt's 1932 campaign, all of the Democratic presidential candidates who were not named William Jennings Bryan were by and large very conservative on economic issues and reactionary on social issues as far as they were about preserving racial hierarchy and limiting the federal government's ability to compel state governments to do anything.

Lol no Wilson was very liberal when it came to economic issues and Al Smith was considered pretty liberal for the time, and Cox was considered progressive on economic issues as well. 1896 is the turning point not 1932 and even in elections where the Democrats nominated economic conservatives like 1924 the Republican candidate was even more conservative

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You can’t make ARGUMENTS for certain years, but the answer is MUCH closer to “never” than it is a magical “turning point” ... including 1896.

1896 though was a massive massive shift : Going from Grover Cleveland to William Jennings Bryan is a massive shift in every way possible as there was probably a bigger difference between both of them politically than there was between Lyndon Johnson and Barry Goldwater in 1964.

There really is no way Grover Cleveland stays a Democrat (assuming he is active in politics) through the Wilson years let alone the FDR ones. The Presidency since then which most resembles his is Coolidge(Who is also the only President I would argue was more right-wing than Cleveland since 1860)

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You can’t make ARGUMENTS for certain years, but the answer is MUCH closer to “never” than it is a magical “turning point” ... including 1896.

Really? Cleveland was pretty clearly to the right of Harrison in 1888/1892.

On what issues?

Cleveland was clearly more Laissez-Faire than Harrison

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Even in 1980 Carter did very well in the rural south

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You can’t make ARGUMENTS for certain years, but the answer is MUCH closer to “never” than it is a magical “turning point” ... including 1896.

1896 though was a massive massive shift : Going from Grover Cleveland to William Jennings Bryan is a massive shift in every way possible as there was probably a bigger difference between both of them politically than there was between Lyndon Johnson and Barry Goldwater in 1964.

There really is no way Grover Cleveland stays a Democrat (assuming he is active in politics) through the Wilson years let alone the FDR ones. The Presidency since then which most resembles his is Coolidge(Who is also the only President I would argue was more right-wing than Cleveland since 1860)

The bolded is why you need a private class that meets twice a week with Harry S Truman (the President or the poster), haha.  You pinpoint these little policy positions or campaign slogans as if they are the pieces that create the final product of "Politician X" and completely ignore the philosophical reasons behind choosing a party in the first place - you completely disregard broader stuff like that.  Grover Cleveland would want nothing to do with Barry Goldwater, even if you both se them as "small government" or whatever, because they have fundamentally different philosophies.  Cleveland represented the MORE pro-business side of the more egalitarian (for Whites, of course) party; that doesn't mean he then fits in with the less egalitarian, more pro-business party, though.  Joe Manchin is not a Republican for a reason, Charlie Baker is not a Democrat for a reason, etc.  You don't step into a real-life PM matrix and give short policy descriptions to a computer and have it spit you back out as a "Democrat" or a "Republican," dude!  Politicians often choose parties based on their general worldview, not an ideological score.  Grover Cleveland used the same campaign gimmicks against the GOP that liberal Democrats of his era did; he just simply had more conservative ideas about how to achieve his goals than they did.

Your "big switch" date also assumes that the GOP before McKinley didn't embody his politics; I flatly reject that, regardless of whatever shift you perceived the Democrats making.

Grover Cleveland was not on the side of the Agrarians though in any way. He was strongly in favor of the Gold Standard(Which was a Republican position),  he literally didnt believe it was the government job to intervene in bad economic times, and was very anti union .

You can make a case of someone like Andrew Jackson being on the left due to him being opposed to him being on the more anti-business side of things but I dont think you can make any argument Grover Cleveland would be. I dont think Grover Cleveland would stay as a Democrat during the Wilson years let alone the FDR one unless he is out of politics and plays the role of writing op eds about how the Democratic Party has gone too far.

The GOP isnt the one who shifted , the Dems did they shifted hard in 1896 .

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Even in 1980 Carter did very well in the rural south

I'm not sure what you're suggesting ... if you are agreeing with people who have said the rural South actually had a more liberal streak in the '60s, '70s and '80s than Southern suburbs, then ... agreed.

That’s what I am saying