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« on: April 09, 2019, 02:54:40 PM »

This is exactly why Israel should adopt FPTP , it has worked well in India and it is much easier to take down the incumbent party in an FPTP party system as well as reward them .
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2019, 06:08:00 PM »

As I predicted Channel 12 was a massive outlier.
Love Bibi or hate him, the only thing that can bring this man down is a criminal conviction.

Also concerning Bennett, Feiglin etc:
They might indeed fall under the Threshold on election day, but Soldiers votes (counted at a later stage) could well bring them over the top.

I believe an FPTP system could take him down, as its much easier in FPTP system for the party out of power to win elections.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2019, 06:13:39 PM »

As I predicted Channel 12 was a massive outlier.
Love Bibi or hate him, the only thing that can bring this man down is a criminal conviction.

Also concerning Bennett, Feiglin etc:
They might indeed fall under the Threshold on election day, but Soldiers votes (counted at a later stage) could well bring them over the top.

I believe an FPTP system could take him down, as its much easier in FPTP system for the party out of power to win elections.

They almost introduced it in the 80s, but the Haredim stopped it.
I am not sure if it would work well for Israels very diverse society, especially representing certain small groups like Druze or Arab Christians could be difficult.

It works very well in India which is also a very diverse society as well. I believe that FPTP has helped India a lot
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2019, 06:16:44 PM »

As I predicted Channel 12 was a massive outlier.
Love Bibi or hate him, the only thing that can bring this man down is a criminal conviction.

Also concerning Bennett, Feiglin etc:
They might indeed fall under the Threshold on election day, but Soldiers votes (counted at a later stage) could well bring them over the top.

I believe an FPTP system could take him down, as its much easier in FPTP system for the party out of power to win elections.

A first-past-the-post system would give Bibi a supermajority.

We have no idea of that, as there probably would be 2-3 parties which would change the campaigns more and would force Bibi to have to get 40-42% of the vote
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2019, 07:48:31 PM »

This is one of those elections that makes me glad that the United States doesn't have a parliamentary system. In spite of all the numerous faults in our political system, we would be even worse off if we had elections like this.

I also must say that it's disturbing how tolerated corruption lately has become in our world and its politics. It's yet another election that is just way too typical for our timeline.
Parliamentary systems are actually pretty resistant at preventing huge takeovers from undemocratic forces compared to two-Party systems. It allows for more debate and nuance in coalition buildings that the strict orthodoxy of a two-party system doesn’t allow for. It also allows for breakaway factions and coalition disbandment if the government starts to slip up against the constituents interest.

Look at how Trump or Modi rose through for the ills of having no parliamentary system, two very baggage-heavy candidates, who got propelled merely because of tactical nose holding in a FPTP system. Look at how the Canadian Conservatives are going to win with 35% of the vote, even though 50-60% of the vote will go to a centrist party and two center-leftist+ parties. Look at how awful most FPTP political scenes actually are.

What you should really be blaming is the Israeli electorate for sucking on the teats of Reaktion, not their parliamentary system.

FPTP has really benefited India and India does have a parliamentary system lol. Also in a proportional system it is almost always impossible to take down the incumbent party.


FPTP is more Democratic than Proportional IMO

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2019, 07:55:21 PM »

This is one of those elections that makes me glad that the United States doesn't have a parliamentary system. In spite of all the numerous faults in our political system, we would be even worse off if we had elections like this.

I also must say that it's disturbing how tolerated corruption lately has become in our world and its politics. It's yet another election that is just way too typical for our timeline.
Parliamentary systems are actually pretty resistant at preventing huge takeovers from undemocratic forces compared to two-Party systems. It allows for more debate and nuance in coalition buildings that the strict orthodoxy of a two-party system doesn’t allow for. It also allows for breakaway factions and coalition disbandment if the government starts to slip up against the constituents interest.

Look at how Trump or Modi rose through for the ills of having no parliamentary system, two very baggage-heavy candidates, who got propelled merely because of tactical nose holding in a FPTP system. Look at how the Canadian Conservatives are going to win with 35% of the vote, even though 50-60% of the vote will go to a centrist party and two center-leftist+ parties. Look at how awful most FPTP political scenes actually are.

What you should really be blaming is the Israeli electorate for sucking on the teats of Reaktion, not their parliamentary system.

I just think that a larger party system and a need to form coalition governments would cause further partisanship than we have even now. Especially in a narrow election like this one.

Where's the incentive for further partisanship? In a 2 party system the only way to punish a party that is closer to you politically is to either not vote or vote for the even worst party which implicitly benefits the party you disagree with more incentivizing people to rationalize support for the party closer to them no matter how bad they are.

With more parties the price of defecting from your party is far less, if you are a right winger in a country with 3 different right wing parties you can safely defect from your own party to another slightly different party without fear that changing your vote will benefit the left. Seems pretty liberating to me.

Theoretically, it seems to be great bu in reality not so much. In reality a proportional system makes it easier for the incumbent party to get reelected
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