China/Trump ongoing proposal of TARIFFS. Dangerous trade war imminent

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America First means the world last so I'm glad to see the PRC isn't holding back against this imperialist attack against them. Also, always good to see America show their true colors.

Rich people in the PRC are going to be pissed.  Too bad they don't have any power...yet.

You've just described what makes the Chinese model much superior than western "democracy" (more like dictatorship of the 1%), rich people don't decide the fate of the other 99%. In the west that has led to trickle down, union bust, stagnant wages and fascists running loose. Good to see China is truly a People's Republic.

Lol almost 40% of the world's billionaires are Chinese thanks to the policies of the Chinese "Communist" Party.

Being a billionaire in China is a curse, the government goes hard after you, the billionaire's list is called "Sha Zhu Bang" (Kill Pigs List) because it's truly a curse, your stocks drop after you make it, lots of them go to prison, a few get the death penalty and half of them actually LOSE wealth, meanwhile, in America, Don Blankenship wants to be Senator.

Also, billionaires DO NOT control the state in China, the party is above anything and they are the representatives of the workers, meanwhile, in the West, being a billionaire can give you an entire political caucus working for you, see the Koch Bros. All I need to know about China being supposedly capitalist is the fact that western capitalists would try to overthow its government in a second and the fact that western media always resorts to "evil communists" when China does something they don't like, they only talk about chinese "capitalism" to steal their achievements and try to tie what Dengism has achieved to neoliberalism, despite the latter being a force of destruction who enriches nobody but the 1%, while Dengism has created the longest continuous economic growth in modern times and has never faced a crisis, a typical capitalist feature.

That’s what commies said about the USSR

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America First means the world last so I'm glad to see the PRC isn't holding back against this imperialist attack against them. Also, always good to see America show their true colors.

Rich people in the PRC are going to be pissed.  Too bad they don't have any power...yet.

You've just described what makes the Chinese model much superior than western "democracy" (more like dictatorship of the 1%), rich people don't decide the fate of the other 99%. In the west that has led to trickle down, union bust, stagnant wages and fascists running loose. Good to see China is truly a People's Republic.

Lol almost 40% of the world's billionaires are Chinese thanks to the policies of the Chinese "Communist" Party.

Being a billionaire in China is a curse, the government goes hard after you, the billionaire's list is called "Sha Zhu Bang" (Kill Pigs List) because it's truly a curse, your stocks drop after you make it, lots of them go to prison, a few get the death penalty and half of them actually LOSE wealth, meanwhile, in America, Don Blankenship wants to be Senator.

Also, billionaires DO NOT control the state in China, the party is above anything and they are the representatives of the workers, meanwhile, in the West, being a billionaire can give you an entire political caucus working for you, see the Koch Bros. All I need to know about China being supposedly capitalist is the fact that western capitalists would try to overthow its government in a second and the fact that western media always resorts to "evil communists" when China does something they don't like, they only talk about chinese "capitalism" to steal their achievements and try to tie what Dengism has achieved to neoliberalism, despite the latter being a force of destruction who enriches nobody but the 1%, while Dengism has created the longest continuous economic growth in modern times and has never faced a crisis, a typical capitalist feature.

That’s what commies said about the USSR

China has improved a lot from the USSR and learned from the mistakes that doomed them (and thankfully they crushed the Tiannamen psy-ops working for the western capitalists, unlike the USSR who got foreign agent Gorbachev who made a decision opposed by 70% of the country).

During the Dengist era China has had zero recessions, the United States has had five, one every 8 years (1980, 1981-82, 1990-91, 2001 and 2008-09), it's funny that the US growing like 2-2.2% is excellent but China growing 6.5% is disappointing.

Look at gdp per capita

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During the Dengist era China has had zero recessions, the United States has had five, one every 8 years (1980, 1981-82, 1990-91, 2001 and 2008-09), it's funny that the US growing like 2-2.2% is excellent but China growing 6.5% is disappointing.

It's easy to grow big numbers when you're:
a.not very big in the first place
2.fudging the numbers
III.can literally murder people if they don't do what you want

Winnie the Pooh is a dictator.

It's easy to grow big numbers and brag about it when you:
1. Had 200 years of colonialism to get a head start

Nice to see you already resorted to the fudging the numbers argument. Meanwhile, on the murdering people department, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world and its police forces kill blacks because they are black.

Global South sees the United States as a dictator, especially the middle east, but I guess they are a bunch of "muslim barbarians" because they revolt from getting bombed by the racist empire.

Except the US wasn’t a colonial power either


And Europe spent most of the US first 120 years trying to Sabotage  it as well

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During the Dengist era China has had zero recessions, the United States has had five, one every 8 years (1980, 1981-82, 1990-91, 2001 and 2008-09), it's funny that the US growing like 2-2.2% is excellent but China growing 6.5% is disappointing.

It's easy to grow big numbers when you're:
a.not very big in the first place
2.fudging the numbers
III.can literally murder people if they don't do what you want

Winnie the Pooh is a dictator.

It's easy to grow big numbers and brag about it when you:
1. Had 200 years of colonialism to get a head start

Nice to see you already resorted to the fudging the numbers argument. Meanwhile, on the murdering people department, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world and its police forces kill blacks because they are black.

Global South sees the United States as a dictator, especially the middle east, but I guess they are a bunch of "muslim barbarians" because they revolt from getting bombed by the racist empire.

Except the US wasn’t a colonial power either


And Europe spent most of the US first 120 years trying to Sabotage  it as well

I mean there is manifest destiny, the warping of the Monroe doctrine and the rise of imperialism in the late 19th century to consider. Most rich countries, even minnows like New Zealand, have imperialist designs. Of course, where I would disagree with our friend here is that I feel China's ruling elite is just as willing to jump aboard the train as Europe, Japan and the US did during the 19th century.

By definition the US expanding from the Atlantic to the Pacific cant count as colonialism because all that territory didn't became different colonies they became states and all those states had the same rights the original 13 states had.

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I know quoting from the dictionary makes one sound look like a pedantic dick, but I think defining colonialism would be useful here:

Colonialism is defined as "the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically."

How does that not describe the annexation of sovereign mexican territory, Hawaii or Indian land? How does that not describe the seizure of Panama, Cuba, the Philippines etc?

The latter was former wasn’t since the former didn’t get turned into colonies



What I was saying is they didn’t became an economic power due to colonies

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During the Dengist era China has had zero recessions, the United States has had five, one every 8 years (1980, 1981-82, 1990-91, 2001 and 2008-09), it's funny that the US growing like 2-2.2% is excellent but China growing 6.5% is disappointing.

It's easy to grow big numbers when you're:
a.not very big in the first place
2.fudging the numbers
III.can literally murder people if they don't do what you want

Winnie the Pooh is a dictator.

It's easy to grow big numbers and brag about it when you:
1. Had 200 years of colonialism to get a head start

Nice to see you already resorted to the fudging the numbers argument. Meanwhile, on the murdering people department, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world and its police forces kill blacks because they are black.

Global South sees the United States as a dictator, especially the middle east, but I guess they are a bunch of "muslim barbarians" because they revolt from getting bombed by the racist empire.

Except the US wasn’t a colonial power either
And Europe spent most of the US first 120 years trying to Sabotage  it as well

I mean there is manifest destiny, the warping of the Monroe doctrine and the rise of imperialism in the late 19th century to consider. Most rich countries, even minnows like New Zealand, have imperialist designs. Of course, where I would disagree with our friend here is that I feel China's ruling elite is just as willing to jump aboard the train as Europe, Japan and the US did during the 19th century.

By definition the US expanding from the Atlantic to the Pacific cant count as colonialism because all that territory didn't became different colonies they became states and all those states had the same rights the original 13 states had.

Maybe "colonialism" is the wrong term to describe the expansion of the USA from "the Atlantic to the Pacific," but it is NOT because of the foolish reason(s) you have posted here.

Colonialism means getting more and more colonies


By definition, the expansion of the US was not colonialism since the territories didnt become colonies they became states.

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Yes, supporting an ideology  (Marxism-Leninism) that the extremist american overton window (so extremist that Bernie Sanders is labeled far left) deems unacceptable even though has millions of followers around the world and is the flundation of the country with the largest population and presenting the perspective of a country whose perspective either isn't heard on western circles or if it is, is automatically labeled is either illegitimate or inferior (same for Russia) makes me a sock, nice twist of the "russian bot" argument.

Only tories and libs are accepted and you must support the US empire despite them being viewed very negatively in large chunks of the world, including at parts where most of its population is located (the world isn't 90% western, it's 60% asian but since these people aren't rich they are ignored). Deal with the fact that there are people aligned with both Russia and the PRC and they are not bots.

Indians despise the Chinese system of government as well


And Indians despise communism as well



And by the way SK and Japan are capitalist as well so no not Asia only China and their puppet government in NK

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The US , Canada, Europe, Israel, India, Japan, South Korea should unite against the China and demand China do these things or all of them together will put trade restrictions on them(while they increase trade with each other)


- End all support to North Korea Immediately

- Stop their expansionist foreign policy in the Pacific

- Stop stealing intellectual property


China is a threat and should be dealt like one,

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The US , Canada, Europe, Israel, India, Japan, South Korea should unite against the China and demand China do these things or all of them together will put trade restrictions on them(while they increase trade with each other)


- End all support to North Korea Immediately

- Stop their expansionist foreign policy in the Pacific

- Stop stealing intellectual property


China is a threat and should be dealt like one,

Or we could use normal tools of diplomacy and not sacrifice trade, which enriches all of us.

Lol like China will agree to opening new negotiations when the current system benefits them 100 percent.


And what’s wrong with buying products from other countries who can give us products at the same price as China can and not buy them from a country who is a threat to the US

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The US , Canada, Europe, Israel, India, Japan, South Korea should unite against the China and demand China do these things or all of them together will put trade restrictions on them(while they increase trade with each other) ....

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? ...
Where do you get such bizarre "economic" ideas?
The chances of this happening are close to zero, so why even discuss it.

It’s called trading with countries who can give us the same product that China gives us at the same price who don’t steal US intellectual property, and have an expansionist foreign policy in the Pacific.

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The US , Canada, Europe, Israel, India, Japan, South Korea should unite against the China and demand China do these things or all of them together will put trade restrictions on them(while they increase trade with each other)


- End all support to North Korea Immediately

- Stop their expansionist foreign policy in the Pacific

- Stop stealing intellectual property


China is a threat and should be dealt like one,

Or we could use normal tools of diplomacy and not sacrifice trade, which enriches all of us.

Lol like China will agree to opening new negotiations when the current system benefits them 100 percent.

The current system benefits everyone. It's how global wealth has increased 12 times over since the end of WW2.

And what’s wrong with buying products from other countries who can give us products at the same price as China can and not buy them from a country who is a threat to the US

The fact that it would 1) destroy any dispute resolution mechanism for when foreign countries decide to victimise US producers for protectionist or political reasons in turn and 2) it would cost more and those costs would be passed on to American consumers? If countries were selling to the US as cheap as China is then you wouldn't need to raise tariffs on Chinese goods in the first place...  

It is because we dont have trade agreements with India , Latin America etc


 

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While I 100% oppose Trump's Tariffs on Canada and the EU , I partially support them on China because China has already been waging a trade war against the United States and it is time for the United States to respond.

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While I 100% oppose Trump's Tariffs on Canada and the EU , I partially support them on China because China has already been waging a trade war against the United States and it is time for the United States to respond.

And when China places an equal amount of tariffs on our exports, the net effect from tariffs is zero. Except you and I pay more for many items, some US businesses do benefit, but some others will be harmed (and some may shut-down).
Is that what you want? There is no substantial, overall benefit to the USA or its citizens, unless China doesn't retaliate (which is not going to happen).

China are currency manipulators

They steal intellectual property

And they are a threat in the pacific



Threats must be dealt with 

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While I 100% oppose Trump's Tariffs on Canada and the EU , I partially support them on China because China has already been waging a trade war against the United States and it is time for the United States to respond.

And when China places an equal amount of tariffs on our exports, the net effect from tariffs is zero. Except you and I pay more for many items, some US businesses do benefit, but some others will be harmed (and some may shut-down).
Is that what you want? There is no substantial, overall benefit to the USA or its citizens, unless China doesn't retaliate (which is not going to happen).

China are currency manipulators
They steal intellectual property
And they are a threat in the pacific
Threats must be dealt with  

And this may all be true, but you didn't answer my question.
If China retaliates in equal form, we are back to square-one, and they are still getting-away with everything you just pointed-out.
So how does that solve anything? Where does that help us? Consumers, employees (and some businesses) here in the USA are hurt.
I don't care to pay more for items I purchase, because the Orange-Narcissist-ManChild is having a world-wide trade tantrum.

Well yes thats true and that why I only partially support it and not fully. The reason I dont fully support it is because Trump strategy towards this is terrible.


I would prefer doing it the way Romney planned: Get LAFTA passed, TPP passed (Trump stupitly withdrew) and then do this because then we have trade partners we can trade with who can give us goods at the same price China does

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I wouldn’t mind this if Trump didn’t alienate our other trade partners as I believe China is a major threat to our nation and that threat must be dealt with

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I wouldn’t mind this if Trump didn’t alienate our other trade partners as I believe China is a major threat to our nation and that threat must be dealt with

Yes, true WTO litigation which we generally win. Not by shooting ourselves in the foot, reloading The Gun, and shooting ourselves in the other foot which has been Trump's practice with China, and frankly almost everything else, thus far.

The US never should have let China in to the WTO

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I wouldn’t mind this if Trump didn’t alienate our other trade partners as I believe China is a major threat to our nation and that threat must be dealt with

Yes, true WTO litigation which we generally win. Not by shooting ourselves in the foot, reloading The Gun, and shooting ourselves in the other foot which has been Trump's practice with China, and frankly almost everything else, thus far.

The US never should have let China in to the WTO

Um, it's the WTO not the u s t o. The rationale for keeping the second-largest economy out where they can be monitored and litigated against is question at best.

WTO should not include countries like China and the fact is if they werent in the WTO there economy wouldnt have grown near as fast as it did and the US wouldnt be as dependent on China for Trade.Also in 2000 they were not the 2nd biggest economy in the world, in fact they were number 6.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ipe/2000-09GDP.htm


China should not get any of the privileges the US and their allies get on trade as the fact is they are hackers, thieves of intellectual property, and others.

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I wouldn’t mind this if Trump didn’t alienate our other trade partners as I believe China is a major threat to our nation and that threat must be dealt with

Yes, true WTO litigation which we generally win. Not by shooting ourselves in the foot, reloading The Gun, and shooting ourselves in the other foot which has been Trump's practice with China, and frankly almost everything else, thus far.

The US never should have let China in to the WTO

Um, it's the WTO not the u s t o. The rationale for keeping the second-largest economy out where they can be monitored and litigated against is question at best.

WTO should not include countries like China and the fact is if they werent in the WTO there economy wouldnt have grown near as fast as it did and the US wouldnt be as dependent on China for Trade.Also in 2000 they were not the 2nd biggest economy in the world, in fact they were number 6.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ipe/2000-09GDP.htm


China should not get any of the privileges the US and their allies get on trade as the fact is they are hackers, thieves of intellectual property, and others.

China's membership in the WTO is a drop in the bucket at best regarding the growth of its economy, the decline of the US economy, and again, gives a format for prosecuting trade violations and other intellectual property theft that we would otherwise lack. It's hardly a perfect situation, but certainly worthwhile.

If China wasn’t in the WTO we may not have traded with them as much as we do now or we may have had agreed to a bilateral trade agreement with them(for countries like China bilateral work better then multi lateral)