Kasich threatens to leave GOP

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Kasich is really pissing me off. If he wanted to stop Trump, he should have dropped out after the New Hampshire primary and endorsed either Rubio or Cruz. Instead, his ego wouldn't let him quit, and he played a major role in Trump winning the GOP nomination.

Maybe Rubio shouldnt have done so badly in NH.


Kasich came in 2nd in NH not Rubio , due to Rubio self destructing at the NH debate

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pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

Kasich has had more conservative accomplishments then most republicans by far

In the house :


- he balenced the budget when he was the budget chairman in the house

- was not a hypocrite when it came to fiscal issues (supported cutting waste even when that waste was supported by his own party )

- got welfare reform passed


As governor:

- turned an deficit into a surplus

- reformed Ohio criminal justice system

- helped turn around Ohio Economy (and make it the best out of any state in that region )


which current  republicans have this type of record , and the ones who don't how are they better than Kasich and why should they get to define what the GOP is over Kasich .

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Daily reminder that John Kasich ran for president in 2000 as a conservative alternative to George W. Bush

Yes on fiscal conservatism while bush ran on social conservatism.

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Kasich is really pissing me off. If he wanted to stop Trump, he should have dropped out after the New Hampshire primary and endorsed either Rubio or Cruz. Instead, his ego wouldn't let him quit, and he played a major role in Trump winning the GOP nomination.

FWIW Kasich won Ohio; and denied the 66 delegates to Trump whilst Rubio couldn't even win Florida.

This. Kasich was definitely more electable than Rubio

And he wasn't a freaking robotic empty suit with no accomplishments.

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I preferred and still do prefer Rubio to Kasich. Kasich is a jerk with no accomplishments. I'd take a robot over a jerk anyway

No accomplishments lol:

Kasich has had more conservative accomplishments then most republicans by far

In the house :


- he balenced the budget when he was the budget chairman in the house

- was not a hypocrite when it came to fiscal issues (supported cutting waste even when that waste was supported by his own party )

- got welfare reform passed


As governor:

- turned an deficit into a surplus

- reformed Ohio criminal justice system

- helped turn around Ohio Economy (and make it the best out of any state in that region )


which current  republicans have this type of record , and the ones who don't how are they better than Kasich and why should they get to define what the GOP is over Kasich .

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Kasich should become a moderate Democrat. I'd support him over Bernard or Warren.

Charlie Crist 2.0? I'll pass.

Charlie Crist is, at least, moderate. John Kasich only appears moderate because of how far right the GOP has become.

Kasich is no moderate, but I think he has somewhat moderated from his days as a Gingrichite deficit hawk.

I like Kasich a lot, but he was opportunistic and filled the void he saw in this past primary season.  Like most politicians, he probably has more of a "world outlook" than this iron-tight ideology, and his world outlook as absolutely more that of a Republican than a Democrat, IMO.

Hell look at any campaign speech by Kasich. He doesn't really go into policy, he just goes on long rambling folksy stories about growing up in Ohio and tells some life lesson his Dad taught him and stuff like that.

Um I went to his townhall and he was more policy orientated than any candidate  in the race

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Kasich should become a moderate Democrat. I'd support him over Bernard or Warren.

Charlie Crist 2.0? I'll pass.

Charlie Crist is, at least, moderate. John Kasich only appears moderate because of how far right the GOP has become.

Kasich is no moderate, but I think he has somewhat moderated from his days as a Gingrichite deficit hawk.

I like Kasich a lot, but he was opportunistic and filled the void he saw in this past primary season.  Like most politicians, he probably has more of a "world outlook" than this iron-tight ideology, and his world outlook as absolutely more that of a Republican than a Democrat, IMO.

Hell look at any campaign speech by Kasich. He doesn't really go into policy, he just goes on long rambling folksy stories about growing up in Ohio and tells some life lesson his Dad taught him and stuff like that.

Um I went to his townhall and he was more policy orientated than any candidate  in the race

Proving his point.

He talked about how in detail he would reduce the deficit , and his history of opposing programs that republicans supported as well.

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John Kasich is the guy who put strong restrictions on abortion, voted for the war in Iraq, supported NAFTA, Patriot Act & cut welfare & has proposed gutting the pre-existing conditions in ACA by granting the states a waiver. This guy is such a warmonger that he wanted to punch Russia in the nose by playing war-war with Putin - That was his claim in a GOP debate instead of some serious policy to counter Putin.

This is the guy who blasted the Paris Climate Change Conference & wanted on waging new wars. In which world does he become a moderate? Only when the current GOP is a band of extremists. Kasich is a war worse candidate that what Hillary Clinton was - I have no idea why Democrats would even think of supporting him.

Paul Ryan, a strong right wing conservative is a RINO & Kasich is a moderate? What has the world come to!

Kasich wasn't even in congress during the time the patriot act was enacted or when the Iraq war resolution passed .

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Kasich is really pissing me off. If he wanted to stop Trump, he should have dropped out after the New Hampshire primary and endorsed either Rubio or Cruz. Instead, his ego wouldn't let him quit, and he played a major role in Trump winning the GOP nomination.

Maybe Rubio shouldnt have done so badly in NH.


Kasich came in 2nd in NH not Rubio , due to Rubio self destructing at the NH debate

By the way, the idea that Kasich played a role in helping Trump is fallacious. If you're a pro-choice/pro-medicare republican Trump is the most moderate of the 3 (Trump,Rubio, Cruz), that's why Trump consistently won moderates in every single primary, with Kasich collecting the second highest number of Moderates.

If anyone played that role, it was Rubio, who took conservatives away from Cruz, he was the one who should've dropped out and endorsed Cruz after NH.

You also need to look at it from the perspective of Kasich/Jeb/Christie, they're experienced governors and relatively more moderate, forcing them to pick a choice between two hard-right inexperienced congressmen is absurd at face value, because for them, in some policy respects, Trump would actually be more preferable.

Actually I have to disagree with this, so much of the presidential primary is about momentum. Had Kasich dropped out after Nevada (as he should have) Rubio wins VA and MN on super tuesday. This entirely changes the narrative, Rubio was down double digits in polling on VA and his victory would have been the talk of the race, and would have shown trump as far more vulnerable. Had Carson also dropped out after NV as he should have, Cruz most likely wins Arkansas.  

If actors in this primary acted rationally Trumps momentum would have been severely blunted on Super Tuesday, and would have possibly changed the entire campaign narrative to show a more beatable trump. Kasich staying in the race gave trump several states.

Without Kasich, it would've been a very tight race in VA, but it's hard to call him a spoiler when rubio came in fourth place in a number of states behind Kasich.  Do you not understand the irony in hating Kasich for being moderate when his voters are almost exclusively moderates? If you do the math and give a two-thirds margin to him and one-third to Trump, it evens out.

Anyway, the only thing that would've done is improved Rubio's margins a bit to getting more delegates which would have additionally come at the expense of Cruz. It would've just tanked Cruz's momentum after Rubio's defeat in FL to offset any impact Kasich had on Cruz's chances on the Trump v. Cruz finale.

I don't hate him for being a moderate, I hate him for being a phony.

By the way, this is a particularly rich comment considering Kasich was the first republican to actually pay for ads against Trump back in 2015. Rubio didn't spend a dime or even attack Trump once until 2 weeks before he dropped out in a last minute spree of desperation.

If you're an ideological conservative, and you busily play footsie with someone you believe to not be so conservative and are willing to gamble the likelihood of that person potentially taking over the party (to boost your own odds in your own mind), you're not that ideological to begin with. Both Cruz & Rubio played this game. Go watch the CNBC debate in Oct. 2015, the moderators asked both to attack Trump point blank and both deflected and bashed the media and the moderators instead.

Kasich at least attacked Trump point-blank whenever he was asked to do so.

As for phoniness.....

attacking trump makes him authentic?

Kasich is absolutely a fake. He runs as whatever benefits him. Kasich has been never trump simply because it benefits John Kasich. He has a history of taking self serving stances that are opposite to other stances hes taken in the past

On some issues sure, but Kasich I believe supported the Individual mandate in the 1990s and continues to support it to this day , unlike many other Republicans who flip flopped on the issue.

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Kasich accepted the Medicaid expansion in February of 2013 : https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBRE91312A20130204

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Which Republicans since 1992 have been more accomplished than Kasich(with maybe the exception of McCain )

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Yes Kasich is a nasty person up close and personal.


The guy had an A rating from NumbersUSA for his Congressional record. He should have run like Romney did as an establishment border hawk and the fact that he hoped on board with Comprehensive reform in the same manner as Jeb and Marco meant that the entire establishment slate of candidates put their eggs in the same basket, after already stirring the base hornet's nest on the issue in 2013. Genius Mofos, GENIUS!!!

Clearly, if he was calculating on this issue, he must have had garbage pollsters.

Now if you want someone who truly did calculate his way to the nomination, Trump's team spent two years listening to talk radio and had a better understanding of the base and the GOP primary electorate than any one else, including Ted Cruz. Because they figured out what I said in my post a few pages back.

Kasich could have easily filled that void instead of Trump and the kicker is, Kasich was on Fox News and has filled in on talk radio as a host, so he had access to same information and ignored it.

Kasich lost the nomination because of his decision to accept the medicaid expansion .

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Yes Kasich is a nasty person up close and personal.


The guy had an A rating from NumbersUSA for his Congressional record. He should have run like Romney did as an establishment border hawk and the fact that he hoped on board with Comprehensive reform in the same manner as Jeb and Marco meant that the entire establishment slate of candidates put their eggs in the same basket, after already stirring the base hornet's nest on the issue in 2013. Genius Mofos, GENIUS!!!

Clearly, if he was calculating on this issue, he must have had garbage pollsters.

Now if you want someone who truly did calculate his way to the nomination, Trump's team spent two years listening to talk radio and had a better understanding of the base and the GOP primary electorate than any one else, including Ted Cruz. Because they figured out what I said in my post a few pages back.

Kasich could have easily filled that void instead of Trump and the kicker is, Kasich was on Fox News and has filled in on talk radio as a host, so he had access to same information and ignored it.

Kasich lost the nomination because of his decision to accept the medicaid expansion .

Romney passed the same healthcare bill in MA pretty much. Romney got the nomination because he was also better on immigration then then alleged true cons who opposed him like Perry, Gingrich etc. The only one who he could not claim that against was Santorum, but Santorum rose too late to seriously challenge him.

Immigration politics is a deciding factor in GOP primaries. McCain had to flip flop to get the nomination against Romney, Romney got the nomination 2012 and Trump got in 2016 largely because of this issue.

Yes but Romney flipped flopped on it and promised throughout the 2012 campaign that he would repeal Obamacare fully , and when he signed Romneycare that healthcare plan was a republican plan. By 2013 it was democratic plan when Kasich signed on to it and that hurt him massively .


Also one of the main reasons Romney got the nomination in 2012 was the fact that the GOP field was so weak , and McCain got in 2008 because Rudy didnt campagin in IA,or NH making NH a race between Romney and McCain and McCain won just like in 2000. Romney had no shot without NH and this is what gave McCain the nomination .