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The_Doctor
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« on: November 19, 2016, 04:36:49 PM »

Well, the God-Emperor had help from Moscow. That much we know. The Russians were very much pro-God-Emperor Trump because, a deal's a deal and Trump is a yuuuge negotiatior.
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The_Doctor
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2016, 04:44:52 PM »

Just because he won doesn't mean we should just roll over and deal with the fact that a foreign nation succeeded in influencing our nation's election.

Well, the God-Emperor had help from Moscow. That much we know. The Russians were very much pro-God-Emperor Trump because, a deal's a deal and Trump is a yuuuge negotiatior.

That is not even the worse part. What happens when Trump tries to dine and dash or when Putin has decided the US Alt-Right has outlived their usefulness?


To be honest, putting aside my snark, I think that Russia will definitely try to manipulate Trump, who is very ... easy to do so and has isolationist tendencies. In other words, Russia will take advantage of Trump's inability to aggressively stand up to Moscow. He's stated as much during the campaign.

Russia is not interested, as foreign policy experts have said, in meddling with our elections as much as creating instability. If they mess with Trump, I can imagine how ... "prepared" his team will be. (aka not very).
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The_Doctor
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2016, 07:32:28 PM »

Let's be clear, there's no evidence that the Russian government actually influenced the outcome (hacks aside, but any information released from those hardly shifted the balance of the election) of the election in any material way. Sure, it may have been favourable to Trump, but that was hardly a help to his campaign, given that it gave the Democrats and the media a great big stick to whack him with as the 'Manchurian candidate'. Moreover, sure, Putin basically endorsed Trump... just like Gordon Brown and a number of other foreign politicians basically endorsed Obama in 2008 and 2012, and John Howard and others did Bush in 2004. Foreign politicians often endorse candidates in US elections, it's nothing new.

     The fearmongering is a double-edged sword, though. It looked ridiculous and unhinged to far too many people who were not already in Clinton's camp.
Romney's red baiting was seen as unhinged.

     Yes, it was. That's something a lot of people have forgotten.
And we owe him an apology for that.

Having voted for Romney, I agree. If we were the party of Mitt Romney, I might still be a Republican.
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