Opinion of "Fiscally conservative, but socially liberal"

[Murica!]

Despicable, nihlistic, and overall disgusting. Needs to be purged from American politics.

Wait, where does nihilism come into play?

[Murica!]

Despicable, nihlistic, and overall disgusting. Needs to be purged from American politics.

Wait, where does nihilism come into play?

The concept of being "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" usually entails the rejection of principle and altruistic morality. This is not always the case, but the current strand of this ideology is certainly nihilistic in nature.

That's a very simplistic way of putting Nihilism into terms, and is more similar to a misinterpretation of Nietzsche's individualism than what actual Nihilism is. We must also remember that FCSLs tend to overly moralize, simply with a false sense of individualism, much like you* and other "socially conservative" leftists tend to overly moralize with a false sense of "Community."

Not meant as an insult, simply a criticism.

[Murica!]

Despicable, nihlistic, and overall disgusting. Needs to be purged from American politics.

Wait, where does nihilism come into play?

The concept of being "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" usually entails the rejection of principle and altruistic morality. This is not always the case, but the current strand of this ideology is certainly nihilistic in nature.

That's a very simplistic way of putting Nihilism into terms, and is more similar to a misinterpretation of Nietzsche's individualism than what actual Nihilism is. We must also remember that FCSLs tend to overly moralize, simply with a false sense of individualism, much like you and other "socially conservative" leftists tend to overly moralize with a false sense of "Community."

You're right. I can admit that my knowledge of Nihilism is limited to a reading of Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Ecce Homo many, many moons ago. I can see your point that both FCSLs and Communitarians like myself do have a tendency to overly moralize political issues, but I wouldn't go as far to say that it is a false sense of "individualism" or "community" driving it.

I my self am no expert on Nihilism myself as I am an existentialist, not a nihilist, and most of my familiarity with it comes from proto-nihilists such as Max Stirner then actual Nihilists)  I simply do not enjoy when philosophies that have at the very least interesting ideas are used as insults.

[Murica!]

Despicable, nihlistic, and overall disgusting. Needs to be purged from American politics.

Wait, where does nihilism come into play?

The concept of being "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" usually entails the rejection of principle and altruistic morality. This is not always the case, but the current strand of this ideology is certainly nihilistic in nature.

That's a very simplistic way of putting Nihilism into terms, and is more similar to a misinterpretation of Nietzsche's individualism than what actual Nihilism is. We must also remember that FCSLs tend to overly moralize, simply with a false sense of individualism, much like you and other "socially conservative" leftists tend to overly moralize with a false sense of "Community."

You're right. I can admit that my knowledge of Nihilism is limited to a reading of Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Ecce Homo many, many moons ago. I can see your point that both FCSLs and Communitarians like myself do have a tendency to overly moralize political issues, but I wouldn't go as far to say that it is a false sense of "individualism" or "community" driving it.

I would argue the bolded is actually impossible: all political issues are moral issues, at least in an abstract sense. I would never deny the existence of prudential decisions or honest disagreement about the effects of various policies, but the aims in enacting whatever each side views as good must contain some moral component to it. If say, candidate A says we need to preserve food stamps because if we cut it then people will starve, then candidate A is making both a claim that cutting the program would lead to a difficulty for poor people to get food, and that it would be a bad thing for people to starve. The latter point may be completely uncontroversial and generally not stated in a political debate, but it is still a moral argument.

Only at the surface, and only without consideration of self-interest and material conditions, not to mention the question of the mere nature of "morality" and whether or not something of the type truly "exists".

[Murica!]

Despicable, nihlistic, and overall disgusting. Needs to be purged from American politics.

Wait, where does nihilism come into play?

The concept of being "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" usually entails the rejection of principle and altruistic morality. This is not always the case, but the current strand of this ideology is certainly nihilistic in nature.

That's a very simplistic way of putting Nihilism into terms, and is more similar to a misinterpretation of Nietzsche's individualism than what actual Nihilism is. We must also remember that FCSLs tend to overly moralize, simply with a false sense of individualism, much like you and other "socially conservative" leftists tend to overly moralize with a false sense of "Community."

You're right. I can admit that my knowledge of Nihilism is limited to a reading of Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Ecce Homo many, many moons ago. I can see your point that both FCSLs and Communitarians like myself do have a tendency to overly moralize political issues, but I wouldn't go as far to say that it is a false sense of "individualism" or "community" driving it.

I my self am no expert on Nihilism myself as I am an existentialist, not a nihilist, and most of my familiarity with it comes from proto-nihilists such as Max Stirner then actual Nihilists)  I simply do not enjoy when philosophies that have at the very least interesting ideas are used as insults.

Given that Nihilistic philosophies (especially Stirner's Egoism), are entirely opposed to my personal viewpoints and set of moral values, I can find them both interesting and despicable. I thoroughly enjoyed reading "The Ego and It's Own", and found Stirner's ideas to be fascinating and interesting, I can still find them to be an amoral outlook on life.

Well, that's the point of(orthodox) Stirnerite Egoism, no?

[Murica!]

What "interesting ideas" do you get out of nihilism, Murica? Genuinely curious.

The total rejection of morality, extreme individualism etc.

[Murica!]

What "interesting ideas" do you get out of nihilism, Murica? Genuinely curious.

The total rejection of morality, extreme individualism etc.

What is it you find interesting about that? In what way does it nourish your philosophical perspective?

They are positions similar to my own, taken in a different direction, that makes them, at the very least, interesting if nothing else.

[Murica!]

What "interesting ideas" do you get out of nihilism, Murica? Genuinely curious.

The total rejection of morality, extreme individualism etc.

What is it you find interesting about that? In what way does it nourish your philosophical perspective?

They are positions similar to my own, taken in a different direction, that makes them, at the very least, interesting if nothing else.

I guess. Then you'll forgive me if I fail to find any value in this kind of trite, edgy, self-absorbed bullsh*t.

That's basically the definition of presupposed belief right there.

[Murica!]

What "interesting ideas" do you get out of nihilism, Murica? Genuinely curious.

The total rejection of morality, extreme individualism etc.

What is it you find interesting about that? In what way does it nourish your philosophical perspective?

They are positions similar to my own, taken in a different direction, that makes them, at the very least, interesting if nothing else.

I guess. Then you'll forgive me if I fail to find any value in this kind of trite, edgy, self-absorbed bullsh*t.

That's basically the definition of presupposed belief right there.

Didn't you just admit that your reason for finding it interesting is presupposed belief?

No, I find almost all philosophy interesting even if I disagree with it(a good example are the Stoics, who I believe were wrong on near enough everything, yet I still find interesting and do not reject out of hand) and simply find Nihilism to be a bit closer to heart to my current beliefs.

[Murica!]

What "interesting ideas" do you get out of nihilism, Murica? Genuinely curious.

The total rejection of morality, extreme individualism etc.

What is it you find interesting about that? In what way does it nourish your philosophical perspective?

They are positions similar to my own, taken in a different direction, that makes them, at the very least, interesting if nothing else.

I guess. Then you'll forgive me if I fail to find any value in this kind of trite, edgy, self-absorbed bullsh*t.

That's basically the definition of presupposed belief right there.

Didn't you just admit that your reason for finding it interesting is presupposed belief?

No, I find almost all philosophy interesting even if I disagree with it(a good example are the Stoics, who I believe were wrong on near enough everything, yet I still find interesting and do not reject out of hand) and simply find Nihilism to be a bit closer to heart to my current beliefs.

I don't see any value in it whatsoever, and, despite my explicit invitation, you have failed to convince me otherwise.

I was not here to convince you otherwise, you were the only one wishing to, yet knowing full well that you refuse to be convinced of anything. If you cannot see the merit of an idea, as an idea in of itself, then I cannot force you to see it, particularly when I am both not familiar enough with said idea and do not truly believe in what I am arguing for.

[Murica!]

Are you actually arguing that all ideas are valuable "in and of themselves"? Oooooooooh boy...

Sigh...

No, I am not.