Politico: Florida dems unload on sanders in Venezuela controversy, Shalala angry

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Shalala was an absolute trash candidate, while Salazar was an exceptional one. Shalala barely won in 2016 even tho Hillary won it by 20 points. She's an old has been who should have let new blood come forward

Yes, a young fresh Latino candidate can win back that district.

Except the GOP is in charge of redistricting in Florida and they'll almost certainly shift the boundaries of the 27th (or whatever its successor seat number is) to be significantly more Republican. They'll be well aware that the district still voted for Biden despite kicking out Shalala and thus will definitely want to shore up Salazar. What they'll probably do is strip the seat of some or all of its its most liberal areas in Miami Beach, downtown Miami and Ocean View Heights and shift it north towards Hialeah. This'll likely be a pretty challenging seat for the Dems to win, especially with a strong incumbent, unless of course the Republicans ever crater with Cubans again like in 2016.

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It won't be easy for Rs to keep 3 seats in Dade, especially if things post-Trump revert back a bit.

Oh yeah it won't be easy at all, you can barely draw 3 Desantis/Scott seats though.

It's not hard at all. All you need to do is shove Homestead into a Dem coastal vote sink.



This I only did quickly. You could probably get significantly better than this especially getting the 29th more GOP (I'm assuming Florida will gain 2 seats in reapportionment).

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3 barely DeSantis/Scott seats sounds like a recipe for a dummymander if the Cuban vote ever collapses again, which as noted it did in 2016 and there's no reason it couldn't again. Imagine if Biden's outreach to the Cuban community for the next four years goes well and/or Maduro is ousted.

They're not all barely. The 29th is narrow and would be somewhat competitive depending on what happens with the Cuban vote, but Trump would have won it clearly. The 26th is decisively GOP however and wouldn't be competitive whilst the Scott/DeSantis won the 27th by 9ish so it's not exactly narrow either. The 28th is a Dem vote sink that they'd win by 40+.

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It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would have also lost and dragged the party down even more

Because Bernie wouldn’t let Republicans control the framing as easy as Biden did. Half of American voters know literally nothing about politics, so framing is super important for manipulating low info voters

Bernie proudly describing himself as a socialist (incorrectly in my view, he's really a social democrat) would be doing the GOP's framing for them, at least as far as Florida is concerned.

I do actually think it's quite possible Bernie would have won the election due to him outrunning Biden's numbers in the rust belt. However I think it's pretty indisputable that he would have lost Florida by an even larger margin likely due to him losing Miami-Dade outright, Palm Beach being within 10 and failing to match the pro-Biden swing both in Central Florida retirement areas like Sumter County or in military influenced areas like Duval and Okaloosa.