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parochial boy
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Junior Chimp
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E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« on: February 07, 2017, 04:28:24 PM »

HP because any over concentration of power and wealth is bad, and the fact we can let such absurd inequalities exist is indicative of a society that is sick.

Because over rewarding luck (and luck is a major factor in anyone becoming a billionaire), or ruthelessness, or selifishness is harmful to the economy, and yet, because they have so much power, they have managed to peddle this lie about job creation. Jobs get created with or without billionaires, they get created because we need things to get done' and the existence of billionaires merely points that the division of reward between capital and labour is distorted.
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parochial boy
parochial_boy
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,138


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E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 06:12:36 PM »

I have no reason to dislike them.  I should note that, while I don't think I know any billionaires, almost everyone I know comes from a very well-off family (not the kind that fly in private jets, but the kind that don't worry about spending $75 per person at a nice dinner every now and then).

Spending $75/person out of pocket. Geez. Like those places exist for companies to pay for it. Geez...that sounds like something I'd do once a decade.
75 dollars is considered expensive?

Lol. You foreigners are all so poor.
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parochial boy
parochial_boy
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,138


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E: -8.38, S: -6.78

« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2017, 01:14:04 PM »

Private yachts and jets aren't good things though. Neither are mansions. Why should we be happy about people building them when they could be doing something else?

You might disagree, but I am sure that you can think of examples of spending and employment that make people worse off even if they improve our national standing on basic economic indicators.

To echo your words: We have an entire generation of people who grew up being taught that any increase to GDP is an objective good; that GDP is an objective measure of our collective success as a country; that the most important goal for any political leader should be increasing this number a few percentage points over the previous year. Never mind the environment, never mind social norms, never mind community, never mind human health, never mind human dignity, never mind that it's extremely difficult to understand what GDP actually means, particularly in a heavily financialized economy.

The point of this litany isn't to dismiss economics out of hand or to justify illiteracy or lack of curiosity. It's that we should care about things beyond economic growth, and that we should understand what economic growth actually comprises and whether that is something worthwhile. We have an array of values against which economic growth ought to be judged, and many of them we cannot coherently reduce to another number in an enormous cost-benefit analysis. You can't just say that GDP is growing or that jobs have been created and celebrate this as an achievement - we need to actually understand how life is changing.

Moreover, in certain respects there really is only so much wealth in the world - from non-renewable natural resources that exist on this planet in finite quantities (e.g. fossil fuels, heavy metals), to natural processes with a finite capacity (e.g. hydropower, the water cycle), to limitations of space (e.g. there is only so much coastline that we can develop).



The main impact of billionaires would appear to be that they hold back median income.

Of course, if someone's understanding of economics starts and ends with a supply-and-demand graph, you wind up with posts like vcrew's.
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