Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian

[RINO Tom]

1) Didn’t you used to be a hardcore libertarian, OP?  Trump’s angry tone and lack of actual beliefs really shook you to your ideological core?  lol.

2) It seems you VASTLY overestimate the number of rural voters, like most people.  In your state, for example, you do realize that the VAST, vast majority of Trump’s voters were not rural Texans, right?

[RINO Tom]

Populism and libertarianism are about as opposed to each other as it gets.

Populism is a type of rhetoric while libertarianism is a policy doctrine.

Exactly.  Hillary Clinton’s views had nothing to do with her seeming less “populist” than Trump.  Additionally, Joe Biden is like a carbon copy but is seen as MUCH more populist.  Some Hillary hacks will point to sexism, but it’s really just that Biden seems intent on emphasizing that he isn’t a tool of corporations or the elite, regardless of reality, and he can convey that idea genuinely to a decent chunk of voters ... by contrast, Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney looked like they had to memorize lines just to sound like they weren’t out of touch.

[RINO Tom]

1) Didn’t you used to be a hardcore libertarian, OP?  Trump’s angry tone and lack of actual beliefs really shook you to your ideological core?  lol.

2) It seems you VASTLY overestimate the number of rural voters, like most people.  In your state, for example, you do realize that the VAST, vast majority of Trump’s voters were not rural Texans, right?

I need someone to explain why you can't be a libertarian and a populist. It's simply false you can't be both. I'm not even surprised it's the moderates, both left and right, always making statements like this. "Oh dude i thought you were some super libertarian. trump scared you now you like him huh".



Maybe you underestimate the number of rural voters. There are like 250 counties in texas. 191 are considered rural.

You’re not so dumb to think that number of counties matters, lol.  11% of voters in Texas exit polls were rural ... they’re just not an overly significant segment of the electorate numerically, whether you like it or not.

[RINO Tom]

1) Didn’t you used to be a hardcore libertarian, OP?  Trump’s angry tone and lack of actual beliefs really shook you to your ideological core?  lol.

2) It seems you VASTLY overestimate the number of rural voters, like most people.  In your state, for example, you do realize that the VAST, vast majority of Trump’s voters were not rural Texans, right?

I need someone to explain why you can't be a libertarian and a populist. It's simply false you can't be both. I'm not even surprised it's the moderates, both left and right, always making statements like this. "Oh dude i thought you were some super libertarian. trump scared you now you like him huh".



Maybe you underestimate the number of rural voters. There are like 250 counties in texas. 191 are considered rural.

You’re not so dumb to think that number of counties matters, lol.  11% of voters in Texas exit polls were rural ... they’re just not an overly significant segment of the electorate numerically, whether you like it or not.

Lol...keep denying rural voters matter. It's why you moderates still don't comprehend why trump lost. Keep that kasich tier perception and see where it gets you

I didn't say they didn't matter ... I said there aren't enough of them to rely on them and cater strictly to them.  Then, I gave you an actual piece of evidence for that, and you ignored it.  Lol.

[RINO Tom]

1) Didn’t you used to be a hardcore libertarian, OP?  Trump’s angry tone and lack of actual beliefs really shook you to your ideological core?  lol.

2) It seems you VASTLY overestimate the number of rural voters, like most people.  In your state, for example, you do realize that the VAST, vast majority of Trump’s voters were not rural Texans, right?

I need someone to explain why you can't be a libertarian and a populist. It's simply false you can't be both. I'm not even surprised it's the moderates, both left and right, always making statements like this. "Oh dude i thought you were some super libertarian. trump scared you now you like him huh".



Maybe you underestimate the number of rural voters. There are like 250 counties in texas. 191 are considered rural.

You’re not so dumb to think that number of counties matters, lol.  11% of voters in Texas exit polls were rural ... they’re just not an overly significant segment of the electorate numerically, whether you like it or not.

Lol...keep denying rural voters matter. It's why you moderates still don't comprehend why trump lost. Keep that kasich tier perception and see where it gets you

I didn't say they didn't matter ... I said there aren't enough of them to rely on them and cater strictly to them.  Then, I gave you an actual piece of evidence for that, and you ignored it.  Lol.

Considering trump catered to them in 2016 which put him over the top and rural votes let ted win in 2018, I can't see how your initial statement or sudden change in argument could possibly be true

Yes ... you do.  Because I already stated that the majority of Republican voters in Texas aren’t rural...?

[RINO Tom]

You’re beyond delusional if you think the Democrats are a party of the working class and not just a lifestyle party at this point. HAHAHA jfc.

Not sure who you guys think you're snidely talking to, lol ... but as has been said, "working class" has reached the point where it is meaningless (for God's sake, Leonardo DiCaprio would count as a "White working class voter" in the exit polls), and even if we divide Americans by income, poorer White voters are voting Republican, and poorer non-White voters are voting Democratic ... so there isn't a real "party of the 'working class,'" unless you are simply inventing your own definition of what "working class" means, and in that case you're probably also simply transposing an image onto each party of your own choosing, as well, making these images likely just as meaningless.

[RINO Tom]

Quite a few working class neighborhoods here in Atlanta that gave Trump 2% of the vote and will likely give him even less in November. But sure Ted, the GOP is the the party of the working class now.

The welfare class is not the same thing as the working class

So White people on welfare aren't working class?  Anyway, again regarding the OP, my thoughts in a more abbreviated manner...

- You likely aren't going to get the Democratic Party running to the economic right of the GOP within our lifetimes (I would argue they never have); that isn't what younger Democrats want, it isn't what the party leaders want and it's not what our average AMERICAN wants ... it's a fantasy of a minority of "Obama-Trump" and "Romney-Clinton" types (as in, not even a majority of these types) who are especially attached to their new camp ... so, I think you will always have at least some "pro-business" aspects to the GOP and economically left-of-center aspects to the Democrats.  That does NOT mean the GOP won't get more populist, as I believe it will, but it DOES mean that it likely won't actually provide economic policies more beneficial to the working class than the Democrats, at least on paper ... its support from working class people will likely still be circumstantial or reliant on social and cultural issues, which is fine!
- With that in mind, "populism" is NOT synonymous with an unsophisticated tone.  Someone who is an economic centrist and a hardcore social conservative (stereotypically "populist," it seems) could speak eloquently, seem dignified and not sound like Trump does.  I think that is what you will see in the future for the GOP, which I also believe will allow it to appeal to additional voters besides its current group (which, I might remind everyone here, is still made up of a LOT of middle class, upper-middle class and upper class Whites ... trends speak to how things are changing, not the current landscape).