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RINO Tom
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« on: July 23, 2016, 12:33:54 PM »
« edited: July 23, 2016, 12:37:34 PM by RINO Tom »

I mean, Kirk is basically running as a Democrat. I've always said that he won't be easy to beat, even though I despise him.

The poll and the comparison with the Clinton/Trump poll mean nothing unless we know what, if any, questions were asked before those surveyed were asked about Kirk/Duckworth.

^^Also true.

How in the  is he running as a Democrat?!  Being a Republican is as much about lowering the tax burden, decreasing harmful regulation and rewarding economic success as having a Southern accent and talking about church, especially in IL.  This isn't Dixie, thank God.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 12:38:38 PM »

I mean, Kirk is basically running as a Democrat. I've always said that he won't be easy to beat, even though I despise him.

The poll and the comparison with the Clinton/Trump poll mean nothing unless we know what, if any, questions were asked before those surveyed were asked about Kirk/Duckworth.

^^Also true.

How in the  is he running as a Democrat?!  Being a Republican is about lowering the tax burden, decreasing harmful regulation and rewarding economic success, not having a Southern accent and talking about church.

Kirk is liberal on social issues and supports confirming Justice Garland. That's enough to be a Dem according to TNVOL's definition.

I would ask TN Vol why he doesn't just identify as a Republican already, but I don't want his trash political views in my party.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 01:27:52 PM »

Watch his ads and you'll know what I mean - he's really been running away from Trump, McConnell and Republican positions on social issues. This might turn out to be a smart strategy, which worked for red state Democrats like Manchin and Heitkamp, but he needs to find a way to not lose any support in more conservative downstate IL - IIRC, there's several Third Party candidates running in this race.

Tom, I bet that a majority of Republicans would rather have Ron Johnson and Pat Toomey in the Senate than Mark Kirk, whether you like that or not. Wink

LOL, chumps vote on social issues, I'll just say it.  Also, a "majority of Republicans" don't have that choice.  That's not the type of Republican our state nominates, thankfully (though I like Toomey).
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 01:50:15 PM »

LOL, chumps vote on social issues, I'll just say it. 

No elitism here at all, nope.

Just realism.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2016, 05:33:55 PM »

I'm actually pretty curious about TNVol's political views. From what I can tell (and based off his PM score), he's slightly left leaning, but mostly votes for Republicans because he prioritizes being pro-life and being against angry NH women? Correct me if I'm wrong here. Tongue

But, if that is the case, Republicans shouldn't be so cocky. They'd be on the ropes as a party without the single issue pro-life voters.

I don't think there's ever been a cohesive description of his views besides hating Susan Collins and Mark Kirk, being pro-life, being A-okay with Trump's dog whistles and hating NH with a sick passion.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 11:23:27 PM »

I'm actually pretty curious about TNVol's political views. From what I can tell (and based off his PM score), he's slightly left leaning, but mostly votes for Republicans because he prioritizes being pro-life and being against angry NH women? Correct me if I'm wrong here. Tongue

But, if that is the case, Republicans shouldn't be so cocky. They'd be on the ropes as a party without the single issue pro-life voters.

If the GOP gave up on life, millions of people like me would find a new political home- either the Constitution Party or a new party.

The GOP won't give up being pro-life, and they shouldn't.  However, it's high time that religious conservatives stop acting like they're the only ones who matter in the party and recognize that the Republican Party is still the natural home for the business community and more affluent Americans; if this coalition is going to last, they need to accept that "fiscal conservatives" who don't much care for divisive social issues are an important part of it.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2016, 11:04:18 AM »

I mean, Kirk is basically running as a Democrat. I've always said that he won't be easy to beat, even though I despise him.

The poll and the comparison with the Clinton/Trump poll mean nothing unless we know what, if any, questions were asked before those surveyed were asked about Kirk/Duckworth.

^^Also true.

How in the  is he running as a Democrat?!  Being a Republican is as much about lowering the tax burden, decreasing harmful regulation and rewarding economic success as having a Southern accent and talking about church, especially in IL.  This isn't Dixie, thank God.

Don't you live in Iowa?

Yeah, but as my friends will tell you I identify as an Illinoisan culturally, family-wise, etc. Wink
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