Are superhero movies finally becoming less profitable among audiences?

[Mr. Smith]

Maybe...but what's next?

Somehow, I'm just not getting vibes of a New Hollywood on the horizon.

[Mr. Smith]

I pity your sad lives.

Get help. You’re in a cult.

You can have fun in a cult. And if you're the leader you make a lot of money.

[Mr. Smith]

We can only hope. But I still won't rest until every last copy of the MCU movies is tracked down and destroyed.

We can only hope! But can we spare the first Iron Man? I feel like that's probably the only MCU movie I'd rewatch willingly.

That film is responsible for the catastrophe that followed.

Yeah, but at least it feels like it's somewhat grounded in reality. It doesn't just throw Norse gods, space aliens, Russian spies, big green monsters, witches, mutants, WWII veterans, and magicians into one big disgusting melting pot. I honestly think it's impossible to like those Avengers movies unless you have some degree of ADHD.

Stop being a Marvel apologist.

Lol. I admit, while I don't hate that first Iron Man movie, I can't bring myself to watch it these days. It's become so tainted that I can't get anything out of it anymore.

I don't have a problem with it personally, but its impact on American culture has been so terrible that it isn't worth it. There are other good movies that have resulted in terrible things (Star Wars is a great example), but Iron Man ain't good enough in its own right to have been worth all that came later.

This is a fair point. That movie is okay as a standalone film, but my nostalgia blinds me to its horrible cultural impact.

The first two Raimi Spider Man movies + The Dark Knight are better individually but also don’t have anywhere near the same levels of negative cultural impact.

The Incredibles is the only truly great superhero movie. Prove me wrong.

I've seen Unbreakable.  'Nuff said. Best use of Samuel L. Jackson that ain't Quentin M*&thaeffin' Tarantino.

[Mr. Smith]

It's not a "take." It's an objective fact that those films took zero effort to write, storyboard, produce, film, or act in. They're the dumbest things ever to infest the theaters and they are enjoyed almost exclusively by an army of neckbearded man-children who collect Funko Pop dolls and will watch literally anything that has their favorite brand logo on the poster. Rogue One is also one of the worst films ever made, if not the absolute worst (relative to its budget).

Wow! I doubt that even the most jaded Academy members and movie critics reek so much of elitism.
I guess your idea of a fun evening is watching social dramas from third world countries about the evils of post-colonialism and character studies about drug addicts who try to battle their inner demons.

There are plenty of great action movies. Why can’t Marvel neckbeards conceive of the fact that people just hate their movies, and it doesn’t have anything to do with “elitism?” It’s like they know there’s no artistic defense of these films and so they just call anyone who dislikes them “biased.” You don’t see this type of pathetic parasocial excuse-making from any other fan community.

Saying you don't like Marvel films is one thing. Angrily denouncing them as worse than Hitler is another.

I don't recall ever saying such a thing. Though to be fair, Triumph of the Will has more artistic merit than anything Marvel has ever produced.

𐐙𐐨𐑌𐐼  𐐖𐐩𐑆𐐮𐑆!

[Mr. Smith]

It's not a "take." It's an objective fact that those films took zero effort to write, storyboard, produce, film, or act in. They're the dumbest things ever to infest the theaters and they are enjoyed almost exclusively by an army of neckbearded man-children who collect Funko Pop dolls and will watch literally anything that has their favorite brand logo on the poster. Rogue One is also one of the worst films ever made, if not the absolute worst (relative to its budget).

Wow! I doubt that even the most jaded Academy members and movie critics reek so much of elitism.
I guess your idea of a fun evening is watching social dramas from third world countries about the evils of post-colonialism and character studies about drug addicts who try to battle their inner demons.

There are plenty of great action movies. Why can’t Marvel neckbeards conceive of the fact that people just hate their movies, and it doesn’t have anything to do with “elitism?” It’s like they know there’s no artistic defense of these films and so they just call anyone who dislikes them “biased.” You don’t see this type of pathetic parasocial excuse-making from any other fan community.

Saying you don't like Marvel films is one thing. Angrily denouncing them as worse than Hitler is another.

I don't recall ever saying such a thing. Though to be fair, Triumph of the Will has more artistic merit than anything Marvel has ever produced.

𐐙𐐨𐑌𐐼  𐐖𐐩𐑆𐐮𐑆!

𐐏𐐬𐑆𐐯𐑁 𐐝𐑋𐐮𐑃 𐐶𐐲𐑆 𐐩 𐑊𐐴𐐲𐑉

Not relevant here.  

The latest comic book movies underperformed because they were mediocre and featured B-level characters. If Guardians 3 is as good as expected then all this talk about comic book movie fatigue will look pretty silly, again.

That's the MCU's secret; they're always mediocre.

I'm frankly tired of all this snobbish criticism of the MCU. The same arrogant dismissal of genre movies has been the norm forever whether it was westerns and film noirs in the 40s and 50s, sci-fi and action movies in the 70's and 80's, or comic book movies in the 21st century.

Few considered Sergio Leone or John Wayne to be mediocre back in the day. And I don’t think that 2001: A Space Odyssey, Close Encounters, The Terminator, Alien, the original Predator, or even the original Star Wars (as overrated as that film is) were ever on the same level as the MCU.

And every film I named above was actually original. You know, as silly as something as the original Space Jam was (not the LeBeron one, the Jordan one from the 1990’s), atleast it was an original idea, albeit with existing characters and real life figures. That alone makes it better than most blockbusters released today. Such a movie would never be made today.

The worst thing about cinema since the 2010’s is the total lack of originality. Even the 2000’s had a great amount of original movies. But now? People are clamoring to watch Avatar and Top Gun sequels, that’s how un-original and derivative cinema is nowadays.

Half of those examples were literally book adaptations of some kind or another to begin with. They weren't original in the sense you want at all.  And don't try the rest of The Kubrick library, it's the same result.  The closest one to being truly "original" is Dr. Strangelove, but even that one still has some basis from the book. The true gem of the 70's, was just an adaptation of a tasteless smut novel that should embarrass Italians everywhere, and yet.

Meanwhile M. Night Shyamalan is still out and about with original things. So's Chris Nolan.

Perhaps then, "originality" is more than just "did it come from from the writer-director's a or did they adapt it from somewhere".