Georgia senate seats runoff(s) megathread

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but democrats shouldn't tie MTG to republicans because reasons

Because there are probably more effective attacks.

Sure, but leaving this one on the table isn't a bad idea. Introduce the population to the lunatics. Literally why not. At the very least raise awareness.

Agreed. It's time that Democrats started playing dirty with tactics like Republicans have had success with.

We should fight dirtier.

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The economy needs money flowing into through spending. Even if not everyone receiving a check has lost income it is good for the economy for those people to spend money too. This "you need to earn it" moralizing needs to end. I'm not saying that no one should work, just that the finger wagging lectures are tiresome.

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Can't wait til our new Senate Majority this week and Biden confirmation as Prez, we are on the verge of a Trifecta that we should of won in Nov

it would be the smallest working trifecta in american history.

for your own sanity, please temper your expectations about what you will accomplish.

barack obama had 60 (60!) dem senators in 2009 and 2010 and there was still drama and roadbumps.

you will not be passing divisive ideological big ticket items with a 5 person house majority and a 51-50 senate. you just won't.

you will get judges, infrastructure, and maybe certain tax increases.

in fact, the 5 vote majority in the house may be even more of an issue than joe manchin. Not hard at all to find 5 house dems who represent wealthy business districts who will oppose tax increases.  

a double digit number of republicans opposed the TCJA because it repealed SALT deductions.

why wouldn't at least a few house dems from wealthy districts be spooked about pissing off some constituents?

Your right, it would be a tight trifecta

But this isn't 2009

The stimulus in 2009 was like venom to GOP. This year the GOP led congress passed 4 stimulus bills, all larger than the one in 2009. With stuff like checks and welfare which would have been unthinkable ten years ago.

And I think every senate Democrat, even Manchin, is on record to support a public option unlike 2009.

I think tax increases are unlikely, Biden doesn't want to stall growth. But I expect budgets with lots of education, welfare, and infrastructure funding like what they should have done back in 2009.

Those items you mentioned are plausible, yes

I think what he meant was your not seeing crazy things like making DC, and Puerto Rico states as well as packing the court, or making sure changes to the immigration system. Items that are not moderate items by any means and would require getting rid of the filibuster

How is Puerto Rican statehood a radical or "crazy" thing?

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Can't wait til our new Senate Majority this week and Biden confirmation as Prez, we are on the verge of a Trifecta that we should of won in Nov

it would be the smallest working trifecta in american history.

for your own sanity, please temper your expectations about what you will accomplish.

barack obama had 60 (60!) dem senators in 2009 and 2010 and there was still drama and roadbumps.

you will not be passing divisive ideological big ticket items with a 5 person house majority and a 51-50 senate. you just won't.

you will get judges, infrastructure, and maybe certain tax increases.

in fact, the 5 vote majority in the house may be even more of an issue than joe manchin. Not hard at all to find 5 house dems who represent wealthy business districts who will oppose tax increases.  

a double digit number of republicans opposed the TCJA because it repealed SALT deductions.

why wouldn't at least a few house dems from wealthy districts be spooked about pissing off some constituents?

Your right, it would be a tight trifecta

But this isn't 2009

The stimulus in 2009 was like venom to GOP. This year the GOP led congress passed 4 stimulus bills, all larger than the one in 2009. With stuff like checks and welfare which would have been unthinkable ten years ago.

And I think every senate Democrat, even Manchin, is on record to support a public option unlike 2009.

I think tax increases are unlikely, Biden doesn't want to stall growth. But I expect budgets with lots of education, welfare, and infrastructure funding like what they should have done back in 2009.

Those items you mentioned are plausible, yes

I think what he meant was your not seeing crazy things like making DC, and Puerto Rico states as well as packing the court, or making sure changes to the immigration system. Items that are not moderate items by any means and would require getting rid of the filibuster

How is Puerto Rican statehood a radical or "crazy" thing?

Because the only reason they want it to be a state is that it adds 2 senators that will always be safe D no matter what.
It’s one of those things that would only be passed to benefit one parties control on the senate not to actually help every day Americans

Thats not a legitimate reason to deny a territory that has voted for statehood, esp one that is larger then many states in terms of population.

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Can't wait til our new Senate Majority this week and Biden confirmation as Prez, we are on the verge of a Trifecta that we should of won in Nov

it would be the smallest working trifecta in american history.

for your own sanity, please temper your expectations about what you will accomplish.

barack obama had 60 (60!) dem senators in 2009 and 2010 and there was still drama and roadbumps.

you will not be passing divisive ideological big ticket items with a 5 person house majority and a 51-50 senate. you just won't.

you will get judges, infrastructure, and maybe certain tax increases.

in fact, the 5 vote majority in the house may be even more of an issue than joe manchin. Not hard at all to find 5 house dems who represent wealthy business districts who will oppose tax increases.  

a double digit number of republicans opposed the TCJA because it repealed SALT deductions.

why wouldn't at least a few house dems from wealthy districts be spooked about pissing off some constituents?

Your right, it would be a tight trifecta

But this isn't 2009

The stimulus in 2009 was like venom to GOP. This year the GOP led congress passed 4 stimulus bills, all larger than the one in 2009. With stuff like checks and welfare which would have been unthinkable ten years ago.

And I think every senate Democrat, even Manchin, is on record to support a public option unlike 2009.

I think tax increases are unlikely, Biden doesn't want to stall growth. But I expect budgets with lots of education, welfare, and infrastructure funding like what they should have done back in 2009.

Those items you mentioned are plausible, yes

I think what he meant was your not seeing crazy things like making DC, and Puerto Rico states as well as packing the court, or making sure changes to the immigration system. Items that are not moderate items by any means and would require getting rid of the filibuster

How is Puerto Rican statehood a radical or "crazy" thing?

Because the only reason they want it to be a state is that it adds 2 senators that will always be safe D no matter what.
It’s one of those things that would only be passed to benefit one parties control on the senate not to actually help every day Americans

Thats not a legitimate reason to deny a territory that has voted for statehood, esp one that is larger then many states in terms of population.

And it's not even a reason based in logic, either, given that PR has some pretty conservative tendencies &, oh yeah, literally has a Republican representative right now. So much for "always be[ing] safe D no matter what," though.

Very good point as well

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Get ready for the slaughtering.

You said basically the same thing in November.

This is a clear toss-up.  Don't get ahead of yourself again.

True, but let the guy have his fun, its a pretty solid meme at this point ngl

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Can we stop talking about spanking people; fanaticizing about violence is just innapropiate IMO.

Spanking is violence? LOL

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I don’t get it, the margins are

70k for Kelly
109k for Perdue

Yes Dekalb is outstanding but GOP will pick up votes in almost every remaining area other than that?

So this is a dead tossup...

I know I’m usually negetive but seriously... why is this considered so heavily Dem?

There are other dem dominanted counties with vote out more so then gop ones

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Relatively small dump from DeKalb compared to what they have left, but they break about 5400-500 in Ossoff's favor, so he leads statewide now.

Source?

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Relatively small dump from DeKalb compared to what they have left, but they break about 5400-500 in Ossoff's favor, so he leads statewide now.

Source?

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