Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[Podgy the Bear]

Biden (and Pete) released his governing strategy plans today and you guessed it: bipartisanship will help him pass his agenda!

The sad part is that this is what voters want. I forgot the exact numbers but it was either a plurality or a bare majority of Democrats wanted the nominee to be someone who will work with Republicans. Voters are naive or plain willfully ignorant about how bloody politics is. But Joe is giving them what they want.

It's going to be him and we need to elect as many Democrats to pad/create the majority as possible.

Tbh, i feel the 2020 Dem primaries will end in one of two ways:

1) Like 2004 where Biden like John Kerry sweeps it up fairly quickly

-or-

2) Like 1988 where Biden, like Jesse Jackson, has most of his wins contained within the South while Sanders or Warren sweep the rest like Dukkakis and get the nomination.

I'm still hoping for the second scenario.

And then get swept in November in a 40 state landslide?

[Podgy the Bear]

How Trump has given Biden a major campaign boost

After three years of his chaotic presidency, President Donald Trump has made nostalgia a big, bold idea among Democrats. This is one of the secrets to former Vice President Joe Biden's ongoing success in the polls. The President, with the full support of his party in Congress, has pushed politics so far off-kilter that Americans are desperately yearning for normalcy in the Oval Office.
On paper, Biden is not offering anything very dramatic. He himself embodies an older vision of the Democratic Party, in contrast to the slate of women, African Americans and Latinos who have made inroads in both the presidential race and in Congress. While his campaign has put forward a series of policy promises that aim to expand on President Barack Obama's domestic record, he often talks about a return to some kind of better past.
Biden has called for Democrats and Republicans to work together again. During the debate this week, he said that while he has "no love" for Republicans who attacked his family, "the fact is, we have to be able to get things done." Biden has frequently repeated a key tenet of his campaign: "We're in a battle for the soul of America." In doing so, he often talks about traditional American values that he respects and would champion as commander-in-chief. Even his "no malarkey" bus tour, which has been thoroughly mocked by younger generations, takes us back in time with the use of outdated slang.
Progressive critics point out that these promises evoke a past that no longer exists (and in many cases, never existed) and thus misleads voters into thinking that our country is in better shape than it is. His calls for bipartisanship, for instance, have rightly been met with deep skepticism given the radical outlook of a GOP that hasn't shown any interest in reaching across the aisle for several decades. Biden appeals to our better angels, but the Trump era has shown that those angels are too often absent from our polity.
But the criticism isn't undercutting Biden as much as it might in different times. And the reason is the President. Trump has blown up an already volatile political atmosphere with the way he governs. His vitriolic tweets, his aggressive use and abuse of presidential power, his punitive policies, his smashmouth attacks on opponents and his total disregard for the conventions and norms of Washington have created a toxic atmosphere where everything feels upended. To many Democrats, the nation is in a true state of crisis.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/21/opinions/trump-campaign-boost-for-biden-return-to-normalcy-zelizer/index.html

So, how long until Trump goes full Nixon to get Biden as his McGovern?

I always believed that Democrats would try to nominate the antithesis of Donald Trump. And additionally, there's a historical pattern of electing Presidents stylistically-opposite of their predecessors (Carter>Reagan, Bush>Clinton, Bush>Obama, Obama>Trump).

Biden would fit this pattern perfectly; aside from his demographics, he couldn't be more opposite than Trump in temperament, style, beliefs, and personality.

Same gaffes, lack of ownership to wrongdoing [see Anita Hill], and real POS kids too!

Beau was a decorated army veteran and popularly elected AG in Delaware.

Yes and Tiffany T. seems to have her head on right too, and Barron is out of the spotlight. Doesn't excuse the other Trump kids.

Likewise Beau doesn't excuse Hunter.

And I'm not voting for Trump because Eric and Donald Jr are disgusting.  I'm not voting for Trump because he is scum.

[Podgy the Bear]

It's interesting looking at electability argument going from Biden campaign still. It's based on h2h numbers vs Trump while he's not still a nominee and from some battleground state polls. But, I would argue that his numbers in IA and NH really tell the story otherwise. Let's look at the last two A+ polls from IA, he polls at 15 and 17. He has been campaigning in Iowa, he has been on air in Iowa, he doesn't energize anyone. How the hell are you going to win general election with this level of enthusiasm is beyond me. I would take Pete and maybe even Klobuchar from the moderate lane as the more electable at this point. I would take Warren as well even though she alianated much of the Sanders supporters and practicaly ended her campaign colluding with CNN. It should be pretty clear that Sanders not Biden is the most electable now, and even Buttigieg at this point.

So do you explain the NYT/Siena poll where Sanders is lagging Trump by a greater margin than Biden or Buttigieg?

[Podgy the Bear]

I'm afraid not.  He doesn't have the money anymore.  The black vote is rapidly moving to Bloomberg.

[Podgy the Bear]

I’m rolling with Joe. The alternative is a self avowed socialist who praises communists but has all the energy in the world to trash Democrats he will need to not only vote for him but vote for his agenda. I’m good.

I'm good voting 3rd Party if Biden wins the PRIM at this point....

Speaking of trashing 50% of your Party Base, it's the Establishment DEMs....

He's talking about helping downstream candidates like Colin Allred.  He's talking about working to take back the state legislature.  So how does he expect to do that if he's trashing the party base as you claim??

[Podgy the Bear]

Beto and Buttigieg have been ridiculed by conservative talk and Fox news Hannity. Their endorsements doesnt mean much.

Right--I really hang on every word that scumbag Hannity brings out...