Homosexuality + Hate Crimes

[Lunar]

Hate crimes involve more than murder.

If a spray nazi symbols all over a Synagogue it's a completely different form of vandalism from me spraying an anarchy symbol at a bus station.

[Lunar]

I don't really think two cases of vandalism should be treated differently, except for taking into account the extent to which the place was vandalized.

Shrug.  If you think spray painting the word "n" or  "f****t" all over someone's house is the same thing as if the person spray painted a bunch of flowers, then ok.

[Lunar]

Hate crimes involve more than murder.

If a spray nazi symbols all over a Synagogue it's a completely different form of vandalism from me spraying an anarchy symbol at a bus station.

Is this because of the symbols or just because of the place that was vandalized?

Spraying nazi symbols all over a Synagogue is worse than spraying an anarchy symbol at a bus station, but I would also say that spraying anarchy symbols all over a Synagogue is worse than spraying a nazi symbol at a bus station.

I meant because of the symbols.  Hell, it could be the place too of course.  I wanted the two places to be comparitive in the normal legal sense.

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I think we both agree on that.  However, I was asking if there should be a LEGAL DIFFERENCE between the words and the flowers.

So, I have a question.  Does anyone here that agrees with the concept of hate crimes think that homosexuality shouldn't be included?

[Lunar]

If you want to apply an extra penalty and call it "intimidation" then ok, I don't care.  I just think the legal system needs a mechanism to recognize the difference between two significantly different acts.

It's actually probably better with the intimidation route.

[Lunar]

I believe that any random killing should be more serious. After all, what's worse: killing a little girl for fun or killing someone who was sleeping with your wife?

Well, they generally are.  Usually the difference between the two is that the wife one is second-degree and the girl one is first-degree.  In addition, there's actually a fairly wide variance of sentences you can get for murders, and cruel ones generally get MUCH more.