Do Prisons Without Air-Conditioning Constitute 'Cruel and Unusual Punishment'?

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

LOL NO. If schools without air conditioning are constitutional, so are prisons without air conditioning.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Prisons in general are "Cruel and Unusual Punishment."

Not quite, but anything short of Norwegian-style prisons is.

Prison isn't daycare, it's a prison.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

LOL NO. If schools without air conditioning are constitutional, so are prisons without air conditioning.

indeed this.  My HS didn't have AC in one of the buildings, nor did one of my grade schools.  I guess 7 year old kids in 1980 were just tougher than prisoners are in 2016.

But prisoners can't change prisons. Plus that is kind of a weak comparison in other regards - you weren't living inside your school 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in densely packed quarters. It can get seriously hot in some prisons, which alone can introduce safety concerns. Some people close to their breaking point get violent.

I would also argue that your school should have had AC, but then again, you're older, correct? Maybe it wasn't feasible or possible then, but that doesn't make it right.

     The point is that these people have committed serious offenses that have led to them losing some of the rights that people are normally accorded. It's not meant to be a walk in the park.

Just because they are prisoners doesn't mean it's OK to treat them like dirt. Time and time again, I see issues of mistreatment or other bs regarding prisoners come up and again see certain folks just shrug it off and say "well they are prisoners after all!", as if that justifies anything and everything.

This is why recidivism is such a problem in America. Many people have such a cavalier attitude towards convicts/felons, as if they are sub-human or something.

Re: Schools without AC - they still exist. In fact, the only elementary/middle schools in MN's capital city that have AC right now, in 2016, are the ones that host summer programs, which is like a fifth of them.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

LOL NO. If schools without air conditioning are constitutional, so are prisons without air conditioning.

indeed this.  My HS didn't have AC in one of the buildings, nor did one of my grade schools.  I guess 7 year old kids in 1980 were just tougher than prisoners are in 2016.

But prisoners can't change prisons. Plus that is kind of a weak comparison in other regards - you weren't living inside your school 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in densely packed quarters. It can get seriously hot in some prisons, which alone can introduce safety concerns. Some people close to their breaking point get violent.

I would also argue that your school should have had AC, but then again, you're older, correct? Maybe it wasn't feasible or possible then, but that doesn't make it right.

     The point is that these people have committed serious offenses that have led to them losing some of the rights that people are normally accorded. It's not meant to be a walk in the park.

Just because they are prisoners doesn't mean it's OK to treat them like dirt. Time and time again, I see issues of mistreatment or other bs regarding prisoners come up and again see certain folks just shrug it off and say "well they are prisoners after all!", as if that justifies anything and everything.

This is why recidivism is such a problem in America. Many people have such a cavalier attitude towards convicts/felons, as if they are sub-human or something.

Re: Schools without AC - they still exist. In fact, the only elementary/middle schools in MN's capital city that have AC right now, in 2016, are the ones that host summer programs, which is like a fifth of them.

In Minnesota? Why the hell would you need aircon there?

September/Early October can still be quite hot. April/May/June are total wildcards.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Prisons in general are "Cruel and Unusual Punishment."

This too.

What exactly would your guys' alternative be?

Not having them. The prison industrial complex is the worst institution in American history. Much better to end it for good.

Anyway, if we're complaining about air conditioning, we're not acknowledging the much crueler things that go on. That should be the least of concerns if we're stuck with silly reform measures.

How do you properly punish major crime if not through the use of prisons?