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Question: Who would you vote for?/Who would you think wins?
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Hillary Clinton/Hillary Clinton
 
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Hillary Clinton/John Kasich
 
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John Kasich/Hillary Clinton
 
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John Kasich/John Kasich
 
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Other/John Kasich
 
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Other/Hillary Clinton
 
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Total Voters: 131

Author Topic: 2016: John Kasich V. Hillary Clinton  (Read 6386 times)
Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« on: September 19, 2016, 09:25:15 AM »

^The country is more polarized than you think. Her advantages with minorities and White women would still exist even without Trump and they made it very difficult for Kasich to win this race. As much as I hate to admit it, but the Clinton campaign would have turned him into Romney 2.0. Just because Trump is losing right now, that doesn't mean that any other Republican would be winning right now.

Voters are rejecting the Republican Party and conservatism, Trump is only making it worse. 

If voters are rejecting conservatism, then why are Senate Democrats struggling to reach anything more than a "Manchin Majority"?
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 02:34:36 PM »
« Edited: September 19, 2016, 02:36:23 PM by Dwarven Dragon »

Hillary Clinton 2016 is a terrible candidate, Kasich doesn't really have any baggage, so he should be able to win fairly comfortably.  A lot of Democrats would feel much safer staying home or voting third party in this scenario than against Trump.

Most people who are supporting Clinton now would support her over any other Republican as well. Democrats would have teared him apart and his favorability ratings would be in the tank right now.

Hypothetical general election polls consistently showed Kasich well ahead of Hillary. While I know some of that was because Kasich was not as heavily scruntized as Cruz or Trump, it doesn't explain everything. Kasich is a different kind of republican. He wouldn't be anatagonizing foreign policy experts. He wouldn't be losing the endorsements of people like Scott Rigell and Mark Kirk. What he did in 2011 with the unions would be the only thing Democrats would have to use against him, and it probably wouldn't be enough. He restored Ohio's economy, has a 60% approval rating, forced Medicaid expansion down the legislature's throat, and is against RFRA-type bills. He consistently campaigned as a moderate. I'm not saying Kasich would win the pacific northwest or anything crazy like that. But he would win by an Obama 2012 esque margin.

If voters are rejecting conservatism, then why isn't Hillary up by 10 points - if it's about ideology her health shouldn't matter, right? And why do the republicans still have a path to keeping the senate majority?
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 04:27:08 PM »

If voters are rejecting conservatism, then why isn't Hillary up by 10 points - if it's about ideology her health shouldn't matter, right? And why do the republicans still have a path to keeping the senate majority?

Well, most conservative Republicans in swing states are running as "moderates". In 2018, you'll see the same thing happening on the Democratic side - red/swing state Democrats Senators pretending to be moderate and bipartisan. Voters are falling for that, which is the reason why people like Heidi Heitkamp and Mark Kirk are in the Senate right now.

Not sure about Heitkamp, but Kirk is a genuine moderate.
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