Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

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None of this is going to matter, since it doesn't change that his supporters are 100% sure that he's the most "electable." I'm starting to think Biden really could win a la Trump, in that none of his gaffes hurt his poll numbers, and his supporters don't budge, while no other single Democrat manages to overtake him. Note that I'm not saying Biden is just like Trump, but it does say a lot about Democratic voters, and how much they're willing to shrug off without a second thought for the sake of *perceived* electability.

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There's a difference between being a "fighter" or standing up for what you believe in, and just being stubborn and never admitting fault or to being wrong about anything. Trump is very clearly the latter, since he doesn't consistently believe in anything other than how great he is (unless it's all a show to cover up self-esteem issues), whereas I think the best kind of leader is firm in their beliefs and doesn't back off easily, but also admits it when they are in the wrong or go against their values. If Biden wants to run on "compromise" and "meeting in the middle", that's his right, but refusing to admit to poor word choice isn't strength; it's stubbornness, plain and simple. It might not hurt his poll numbers, but that doesn't make it admirable, in my opinion.

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Biden has had a history of saying racially insensitive remarks, who cares about his vote, and he isnt going to be the nominee, as you think he has.

All I know is that it's sad that, in lieu of actually admitting you were wrong, you pivot to "wElL wHo CaReS aBoUt HiS vOtE, wHaT aBoUt AlL tHiS StUfF" instead of just acknowledging that you said something that wasn't factually correct.

When you go around saying a segregationist is the way you move legislation, saying Obama is clean black man that got ahead, and saying Brown skinned people work at 7 eleven, and DEL is a slave state, Biden doesnt deserve the nomination.

Alan J.Dixon, who was IL most prestigious Senator, lost, in my home state of IL, due to his vote for Clarence Thomas, that's why Simon refused to even vote in committee for a favorable recommendation for Thomas.

Obviously, Biden was hurt by his vote, he still apologized for to Hill, 20 yrs later.

Ignoring the fact that that's some massive taking of those remarks out of context (for example, he didn't praise a segregationist; he said that, sometimes in Congress, one has to work with terrible or downright racist colleagues to get things done, & then he went on to say that, when you can't work with them, you work around them), how can one claim that Simon refused to vote for Thomas because Dixon had lost when Dixon didn't lose until 5 months after Thomas was confirmed?? Did Paul Simon, of all people, master time travel technology? Did he have a DeLorean? A TARDIS? A quantum tunnel & time-space GPS? I'd love to know.

Bro, are you seriously having a heated argument with olowakandi?

Apparently. This is where I've truly erred as an Atlas poster, isn't it?

You'll find it about as fruitful as arguing with a glitchy computer program.

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Biden's anti single payer crud is despicable. He's attacking Harris for supporting a bill that's not even that radical and would take 10 years to get MFA! Does he really care more about Obama's "Legacy" then people in this country that don't have healthcare? It's sickening.(BTW, Obama supports MFA Uncle Joe!). I know voting Green is not really productive but I'm going to have a very hard time voting for him in the general

Kamala disappointed me in that exchange! She let him gaslight and be disingenuous about the costs. She needs to tighten that up considering she'll be on the stage with him/Warren/Sanders next time.

Anyway-- Biden really said "Go to Joe 30330" LOL.

But yeah he's going to dismantle Trump on the debate stage.

 

Trump was a total moron in the October debates, and he won.

The country has become so partisan where general election debates don't matter anymore. After the first debate last time I thought Trump came off as so stupid I thought he'd lose in a 88 type landslide.

I would say that debates do matter, it's just that Trump is graded on a curve. If he goes a couple of minutes without throwing a tantrum or saying something completely idiotic/incoherent, he's #SoPresidential. And when he does do either of those things, he's ¨tough¨ or ¨telling harsh truths that no one else has the guts to say¨...

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https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1163593486089773057

“Electability” is such a problematic form of reasoning, and you can point to many elections where Democrats believed that they were picking the most “electable” candidate, only for said candidate to lose. Being more “moderate” doesn’t make a candidate more electable, nor does higher initial name recognition help that much in the long run, and early polling can change very easily and very quickly. Democrats are going to beat Trump with higher turnout and enthusiasm, not “well, I like someone else better, but I guess Biden will do.”

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Even if this is just Biden being Biden, and has nothing to do with his age, this is something he and his campaign need to address. If he's the nominee, you all know that Republicans would flood the airwaves with every gaffe he's ever made, and that's something which actually could hurt him.

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Option 3 should be the default for just about any speculation about the primary.

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Expect more of this from the GOP, especially Trump if Biden is the nominee:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1164874091679178752

Yep, people forget how effective the health conspiracies were against Hillary. I think it mattered even more than her emails.

It worked on my dad. He said he would no longer vote for Clinton because he doesn't think we should have a President "with an expiration date."

We all have "expiration dates."

Are you saying that...

Death is inevitable

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Biden delivers most significant speech yet on race, says silence on hate 'is complicity'

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Sunday made his most expansive speech yet on race, calling on the nation to live up to its founding ideals and saying that silence on racism amounts to complicity.

"There can be no realization of the American Dream without grappling with the original sin of slavery," Biden told churchgoers in Alabama while delivering the keynote address at services marking the 56th anniversary of the deadly bombing of Birmingham's 16th Street Baptist Church.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-delivers-expansive-speech-race-says-silence-hate-complicity-n1054601

He should have given this speech at a white church. They are the ones that need to hear it.

You gotta let this chip on your shoulder go. It's giving you a sluch. I'm a white man. I'm not out to get you. Despite what the media and your nationalist professors would have you believe, I'm not the boogeyman. I, and people who look like me, we're not an evil group of parasites out to get you. I don't consume mayo by the gallon. It's okay. It's okay.

Sir, this is an Arby's.

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I'm not sure what he can do at this point, since changing a lot of his positions are going to be met with skepticism and criticism, but if he were to win the nomination, choosing a solid progressive as his VP would at least be a start.

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Even if this is true, Biden doesn't need IA or NH.

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Even if this is true, Biden doesn't need IA or NH.

True but he can’t afford to get his butt kicked in both of them by the same person. That would instantly make Warren the clear front runner even if Biden wins SC

It will definitely look bad for Biden if he loses both (and especially if he also loses NV) to Warren, but if he wins SC by more than expected, the race won't be over. That's why it's important for Warren to put some effort into SC, to at least cut into Biden's margin there.

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Welcome to Atlas!

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He's not collapsing to the point of getting destroyed, but he's slowly losing his frontrunner status and may be slipping slightly behind Warren. While his support has remained fairly consistent, he's not really gaining many new voters, and a lot of the "not Biden" vote is consolidating behind Warren.

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We're coming up on the six-month anniversary of Joe Biden's announcement, and he's had a solid lead the entire time ever since.

We are now at the point where even if Biden loses, history books will have to write that he led "for most of the primary season."

And that'll be as consequential as Hillary leading for over two-thirds of the primary season in 2008.

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If he at least places 2nd or 3rd in IA/NH, then yes, he's still in the game. If he gets 4th in either AND loses NV, then he'll need a huge win in SC (larger than expected) to stay in the game.