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RR1997
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« on: May 25, 2016, 08:12:04 PM »
« edited: May 25, 2016, 08:23:21 PM by RR1997 »

READ OP BEFORE RESPONDING PLEASE

Here's an interesting cyclical theory:

Hoover-Carter: Both of these politically moderate presidents are considered failures, and because of them an era of liberalism/conservatism occurs.

FDR-Reagan: Both of these presidents considered heroes of the left/right. They ushered an era of liberalism/conservatism, and also "defeated" foreign enemies of the far-right (Nazi Germany), and the far-left (Soviet Union).

Truman-Bush 41: Both vice-presidents of the previous administration, and were one-termers who had really bad approval ratings by the time reelection came along, and failed to live up to the previous president. Both presidents also ended tensions with past enemies (Truman: Nazi Germany/ Bush 41: Soviet Union), and created new tensions (Truman: the beginning of the Cold War, Bush 41: beginning of tensions with the Middle-East with the Gulf War.)

Eisenhower-Clinton: These two politically moderate presidents presided over huge economic prosperity and peace. This comparison works the best IMO. The 50's and the 90's are both very similar decades.

JFK/LBJ-Bush/Cheney: Both Bush and JFK were members of a political dynasty.  Both JFK/LBJ and Bush/Cheney increased tensions severely with foreign enemies (Soviet Union/Middle-East), and ushered a decade of war (Vietnam/Iraq and Afghanistan). The 60's and 2000's were both plagued by unpopular war(s). The Cheney-LBJ comparison works very well.

Nixon-Obama: See this thread (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=168317.0)

So following this cyclical theory, a moderate Republican should win narrowly in 2016, and lose in 2020 to a far-left Democrat who ushers an era of liberal dominance.

I see a lot of similarities between the 1976 and 2016 elections.

Bernie Sanders is the Ronald Reagan in this hypothetical scenario. Reagan started a conservative revolution. Reagan narrowly lost the 1976 primaries to Ford. Bernie has started a liberal revolution. He is about to narrowly lose to Hillary in the 2016 primaries. If this cycle stays consistent, then Bernie should run in 2020 defeating President Donald Trump and ushering an era of liberalism.

Both Donald Trump and Jimmy Carter ran as Washington outsiders. Both were absolutely hated by the establishment. The Democrats even implemented a superdelegate system after Carter won the nomination just to make sure a candidate like him would never win the Democratic nomination ever again (just to give you an idea of much the Democratic establishment hated Carter). They're both running as anti-establishment outsiders. Both Trump and Carter vigorously attacked their opponents for being corrupt.

 I also see similarities between the #NeverTrump and ABC (Anybody But Carter) movements. Many Democratic Party politicians (like Ted Kennedy) hated Carter because they thought that he wasn't truly a liberal. Many GOP politicians hate Trump because they see him as someone who isn't truly conservative.

If this cycle stays consistent, then Donald Trump should narrowly defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and lose to Bernie Sanders in 2020.

What do you think of he Donald Trump-Jimmy Carter comparison?

Before anyone starts complaining about this thread, I know that cyclical theories are pseudoscientific garbage. Cyclical theories are interesting to discuss, but shouldn't be taken seriously.
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RR1997
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2016, 08:40:15 PM »

There is nothing comparable between the two situations.
I see a lot of similarities between the 1976 and 2016 elections.

Bernie Sanders is the Ronald Reagan in this hypothetical scenario. Reagan started a conservative revolution. Reagan narrowly lost the 1976 primaries to Ford. Bernie has started a liberal revolution. He is about to narrowly lose to Hillary in the 2016 primaries. If this cycle stays consistent, then Bernie should run in 2020 defeating President Donald Trump and ushering an era of liberalism.

Both Donald Trump and Jimmy Carter ran as Washington outsiders. Both were absolutely hated by the establishment. The Democrats even implemented a superdelegate system after Carter won the nomination just to make sure a candidate like him would never win the Democratic nomination ever again (just to give you an idea of much the Democratic establishment hated Carter). They're both running as anti-establishment outsiders. Both Trump and Carter vigorously attacked their opponents (Ford and Hillary) for being corrupt and Washington-insiders.

 I also see similarities between the #NeverTrump and ABC (Anybody But Carter) movements. Many Democratic Party politicians (like Ted Kennedy) hated Carter because they thought that he wasn't truly a liberal. Many GOP politicians hate Trump because they see him as someone who isn't truly conservative.

If this cycle stays consistent, then Donald Trump should narrowly defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and lose to Bernie Sanders in 2020.
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RR1997
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 06:45:59 AM »

To those saying that Bernie is too old to run in 2020: The Democratic Reagan doesn't have to be Bernie. It could be someone from his movement (like Al Franken or Elizabeth Warren).

Here's another interesting cyclical theory:

JFK-Reagan-Obama: All three are considered heroes of their respective parties. The three are inspiring leaders who push the country to the left/right.

LBJ-Bush Sr-Hillary(?): Uninspiring/uncharismatic one-term presidents who are wildly unpopular and fail to live up to their predecessors.

Nixon-Clinton: Both are presidents whose reputations were/are plagued by big scandals. They're both political moderates who are responsible for passing legislation that would be considered to be conservative (Clinton) and liberal (Nixon).

Carter-Bush Jr: Both of these presidents are considered failures. Huge economics downturns and foreign policy blunders. occur during their presidencies. The two of them are considered to be good-hearted and well-intentioned. They both share a folksy campaign style. This comparison works very well.

If this cycle stays consistent, then Hillary should defeat Trump in 2016. Then she'd lose in 2020 to a politically moderate Republican. This seems a lot more plausible than Donald Trump winning in 2016 only to lose to a far-left extremist in 2020.

The Carter-Bush Jr and LBJ-Bush Sr-Hillary comparisons work extremely well.

Which cyclical theory works the best? We'll find out in November.

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