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« on: April 02, 2018, 04:17:45 PM »

America First means the world last so I'm glad to see the PRC isn't holding back against this imperialist attack against them. Also, always good to see America show their true colors.
Rich people in the PRC are going to be pissed.  Too bad they don't have any power...yet.
You've just described what makes the Chinese model much superior than western "democracy" (more like dictatorship of the 1%), rich people don't decide the fate of the other 99%. In the west that has led to trickle down, union bust, stagnant wages and fascists running loose. Good to see China is truly a People's Republic.

Lol almost 40% of the world's billionaires are Chinese thanks to the policies of the Chinese "Communist" Party.
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2018, 06:49:13 PM »

America First means the world last so I'm glad to see the PRC isn't holding back against this imperialist attack against them. Also, always good to see America show their true colors.
Rich people in the PRC are going to be pissed.  Too bad they don't have any power...yet.
You've just described what makes the Chinese model much superior than western "democracy" (more like dictatorship of the 1%), rich people don't decide the fate of the other 99%. In the west that has led to trickle down, union bust, stagnant wages and fascists running loose. Good to see China is truly a People's Republic.

Lol almost 40% of the world's billionaires are Chinese thanks to the policies of the Chinese "Communist" Party.
Being a billionaire in China is a curse, the government goes hard after you, the billionaire's list is called "Sha Zhu Bang" (Kill Pigs List) because it's truly bad news, your stocks drop after you make it, lots of them go to prison, a few get the death penalty and half of them actually LOSE wealth, meanwhile, in America, Don Blankenship wants to be Senator.

Also, billionaires DO NOT control the state in China, the party is above anything and they are the representatives of the workers, meanwhile, in the West, being a billionaire can give you an entire political caucus working for you, see the Koch Bros. All I need to know about China being supposedly capitalist is the fact that western capitalists would try to overthow its government in a second if they were submitted to its regulations and the fact that western media always resorts to "evil communists" when China does something they don't like, they only talk about chinese "capitalism" to steal their achievements and try to tie what Dengism has achieved to neoliberalism, despite the latter being a force of destruction who enriches nobody but the 1%, while Dengism has created the longest continuous economic growth in modern times and has never faced a crisis, a typical capitalist feature.

According to the Huran wealth report 153 delegates of National People’s Congress and CPPCC are worth more than 2 billion yuan. The fact that occasionally a few billionaires get on the wrong side of Xi and get thrown to the wolves is irrelevant (and the offensive insinuation that the likes of Jack Ma and Hui Ka-yan have it worse than the millions of impoverished workers, both rural and urban is really something). The regime is happily increasing its national security spending, privatising SOEs, promoting the archaic conservative Confucian values it used to look down on - doing everything in their power to keep their workers suppressed and locked into the prison of nationalism while relying on cheap credit and graft to boost their own fortunes. And much like the elites of the USSR, whose commitment to their values quickly evaporated when they saw a potential boost to their wallets, they will sell you out when the growth starts to fall even further. They are as caught up in the machinations of the global financial aristocracy as any other country.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2018, 07:19:02 PM »

During the Dengist era China has had zero recessions, the United States has had five, one every 8 years (1980, 1981-82, 1990-91, 2001 and 2008-09), it's funny that the US growing like 2-2.2% is excellent but China growing 6.5% is disappointing.
It's easy to grow big numbers when you're:
a.not very big in the first place
2.fudging the numbers
III.can literally murder people if they don't do what you want

Winnie the Pooh is a dictator.
It's easy to grow big numbers and brag about it when you:
1. Had 200 years of colonialism to get a head start

Nice to see you already resorted to the fudging the numbers argument. Meanwhile, on the murdering people department, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world and its police forces kill blacks because they are black.

Global South sees the United States as a dictator, especially the middle east, but I guess they are a bunch of "muslim barbarians" because they revolt from getting bombed by the racist empire.

Except the US wasn’t a colonial power either


And Europe spent most of the US first 120 years trying to Sabotage  it as well

I mean there is manifest destiny, the warping of the Monroe doctrine and the rise of imperialism in the late 19th century to consider. Most rich countries, even minnows like New Zealand, have imperialist designs. Of course, where I would disagree with our friend here is that I feel China's ruling elite is just as willing to jump aboard the train as Europe, Japan and the US did during the 19th century.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2018, 07:28:05 PM »

I know quoting from the dictionary makes one sound look like a pedantic dick, but I think defining colonialism would be useful here:

Colonialism is defined as "the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically."

How does that not describe the annexation of sovereign mexican territory, Hawaii or Indian land? How does that not describe the seizure of Panama, Cuba, the Philippines etc?
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