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« on: September 27, 2017, 10:44:03 PM »

Does anyone honestly believe someone would CHOOSE to be transgender (or homosexual, bisexual, etc.)?  Why on earth would anyone choose an extra hardship?  Why would they choose to be discriminated against?  Sexuality is not black and white, and sexual identity and attractions are not simply controlled by one's will.

this is the foundation for a pretty bitter division in the online community fwiw between "trutrans" (who view transgenderism strictly through the lens of gender dysphoria) and "tucutes" (who, at their most extreme, deny that GD is even a thing and that anybody can chose to be cis or trans or something in between). Tis odd.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 02:21:03 PM »

I truly wonder how people like BWP Conservative cope when they are taught models that contradict what they learn in lower years. That's how science works. Complaints about "redefining" gender is largely irrelevant because scientists have a need to be precise about their language - words that would be bandied out in everyday life, like "death" or "soil" need to be precisely defined depending on the context. This is because science is a discipline that mandates precision, while the English language is rather looser in its definitions.

In fact, I think the main problem with "gender" is that the concept is itself also a bit wobbly and used to define several different aspects of distinguishing male and female behaviour.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 05:57:28 PM »

... The medical test is asking people how they feel. Depression has a biological basis, but there is no clinical test to tell objectively if someone has depression or not.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 08:16:38 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2017, 08:19:28 AM by Çråbçæk »

... The medical test is asking people how they feel. Depression has a biological basis, but there is no clinical test to tell objectively if someone has depression or not.
I like your comparison.  Yes depression is like transgenderism.  It is real and it is considered a mental illness, just like transgenderism is a mental illness.   To treat depression, do you make the word around the depressed person all gloomy so it matches their mental outlook?  Of course not!  You try to treat their depression.  Same with transgenderism.  You shouldn't try to cut up and drug their body to make it look more like the gender they imagine, you try to cure the transgenderism itself and make them content with the body they've got.  My message to trans people is, you are perfect just the way you are!  Your body is the way its supposed to be!  You just need to change how you view it.  That is the true, inspiring message trans people need to hear.  

The ideal comparison - the mental illness at the root of it all - is gender dysphoria, and psychologists have a pretty good way of treating it. They weren't happy about it yeah, and spent ages trying to find alternative workarounds (even, hilariously, hormone injections for the born gender, which went about as well as you'd think!).

I think your comment betrays a misunderstanding of how psychiatry works. These people are not magicians who can change the composition of your brain with a wave of the wand. A lot of what therapists teach their patients is essentially coping mechanisms that can route certian tendencies into less self-destructive pathways. Gender dysphoria is undoubtedly a condition that untreated self-destructive behaviour: anxiety, isolation, self-harm etc. Any psychiatrist with a patient like that wants primarily to guide them towards less destructive ends.

And here we can easily distinguish from similar phenomena like Body dysmorphic disorder and anorexia nervosa. In those diseases the goal is normally open-ended. A person with anorexia will never be thin enogh; a person with BDD who spends hours fixing their appearance will not be satiated; people who become addicted to plastic surgery never think they are beautiful. In those cases, a shrink will be wrong to recommend their patients chase these self-destructive pathways.

By contrast gender transition is not an inherently self-destructive pathway, but a fairly well-studied process with a discrete end and - most importantly - alleviates symptoms of GD. For a shrink this is success. They don't want you to deny the reality of your own thoughts in, in other words. Your suggestion would be the equivalent of saying "Be more happy! Stop thinking bad thoughts!" to every depressive.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 05:25:03 AM »

You know, if I started to make grand claims about knowing more than the entire medical establishment because I had received a few extra marks in the SAT, I would probably try and substantiate my claims (or make an effort to debunk others) rather than acting like a snotty and petulant child.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2017, 06:53:46 AM »

Yes, the English language is odd and changes all the time. Both "man" and "girl" had stages, for instance, where they could be used in a gender neutral fashion.
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