Do you support Catalan independence from Spain?

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No. Catalan Nationalism seems to be mainly based on a smug superiority over southerners, like if the Northern League pretended to be left.

Nationalism is a curse, especially by thr "left". Imagine if all those young leftist activists matching for yet another nation-state put their efforts into something that actually helped the cause?

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No. Catalan Nationalism seems to be mainly based on a smug superiority over southerners, like if the Northern League pretended to be left.

Nationalism is a curse, especially by thr "left". Imagine if all those young leftist activists matching for yet another nation-state put their efforts into something that actually helped the cause?

What about Palestinian nationalism?

also bad, as is Israeli nationalism (i.e. Zionism of an exclusive character). I do not see why either ordinary Israelis or Palestinians will be helped out by a "two-state solution" which bifurcates a territory which should be a home for both groups of people into two weaker, gerrymanderd states at  permanent odds with each other. If Jews wish to settle in the West Bank and Gaza that is their right, and if Palestinians wish to return to their homeland that is also their right. Unfortunately, would require overturning all the nationalists on both sides with no interest in uniting people, and only in the right-wing identity politics that proclaims that "nation-states" should be created to be safe spaces for an ethnicity or language.

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No. Catalan Nationalism seems to be mainly based on a smug superiority over southerners, like if the Northern League pretended to be left.

Nationalism is a curse, especially by thr "left". Imagine if all those young leftist activists matching for yet another nation-state put their efforts into something that actually helped the cause?

What about Palestinian nationalism?

also bad, as is Israeli nationalism (i.e. Zionism of an exclusive character). I do not see why either ordinary Israelis or Palestinians will be helped out by a "two-state solution" which bifurcates a territory which should be a home for both groups of people into two weaker, gerrymanderd states at  permanent odds with each other. If Jews wish to settle in the West Bank and Gaza that is their right, and if Palestinians wish to return to their homeland that is also their right. Unfortunately, would require overturning all the nationalists on both sides with no interest in uniting people, and only in the right-wing identity politics that proclaims that "nation-states" should be created to be safe spaces for an ethnicity or language.

You can't see how Palestinians would be helped by an end to the occupation? Seriously?

Yes. Entrenchment of the two state solution would be a reinforcement of the notion that two peoples of different ethnicity cannot live in the same country because reasons, and so there would be forced a great movement with ordinary Palestinians being forced from their homes and businesses to live in their new "homeland", in reality a tool designed to enrich a small unrepresentative later of elite. The new state will be underfunded, weak and literally divided. Palestinians who work in Israel will continue to be stopped and checked constantly. Jerusalem will enjoy artificially and crudely partitioned. The Gaza blockade will continue. And the two new weak states will be at constant loggerheads anyway (yeah, so will the one state solution, but there are no good answers here).

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No. Catalan Nationalism seems to be mainly based on a smug superiority over southerners, like if the Northern League pretended to be left.

Nationalism is a curse, especially by thr "left". Imagine if all those young leftist activists matching for yet another nation-state put their efforts into something that actually helped the cause?

What about Palestinian nationalism?

also bad, as is Israeli nationalism (i.e. Zionism of an exclusive character). I do not see why either ordinary Israelis or Palestinians will be helped out by a "two-state solution" which bifurcates a territory which should be a home for both groups of people into two weaker, gerrymanderd states at  permanent odds with each other. If Jews wish to settle in the West Bank and Gaza that is their right, and if Palestinians wish to return to their homeland that is also their right. Unfortunately, would require overturning all the nationalists on both sides with no interest in uniting people, and only in the right-wing identity politics that proclaims that "nation-states" should be created to be safe spaces for an ethnicity or language.

Pretty sure that opinion is shared by Benny Begin...

Depends. A lot of right-wing Israelis claim they want something similar, but then give the game away when they argue that Palestinians only get partial rights or whatever. The apartheid analogy is nearly always moronic when it comes to Israel but the idea of Arab autonomous states is uncomfortably Bantustany.

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No. Catalan Nationalism seems to be mainly based on a smug superiority over southerners, like if the Northern League pretended to be left.

Nationalism is a curse, especially by thr "left". Imagine if all those young leftist activists matching for yet another nation-state put their efforts into something that actually helped the cause?

What about Palestinian nationalism?

also bad, as is Israeli nationalism (i.e. Zionism of an exclusive character). I do not see why either ordinary Israelis or Palestinians will be helped out by a "two-state solution" which bifurcates a territory which should be a home for both groups of people into two weaker, gerrymanderd states at  permanent odds with each other. If Jews wish to settle in the West Bank and Gaza that is their right, and if Palestinians wish to return to their homeland that is also their right. Unfortunately, would require overturning all the nationalists on both sides with no interest in uniting people, and only in the right-wing identity politics that proclaims that "nation-states" should be created to be safe spaces for an ethnicity or language.

Jews did not fare well as a minority. In fact, they fared terribly, murdered and abused in countless pogroms and then in a genocide.
Can you really not see why do we want one state where we're the majority?

I do see, but I don't understand how that can be done without seriously dodgy activities. De facto, Israel and Palestine are - like it or not - quasi-unified. Better to start planning out binationalism now and how minority protections would work, rather than spend the new two decades twiddling your thumbs until Israel-proper is Arab-majority.

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Seeing as a two state solution will almost certainly result in ethnic cleansing with full complicity of both the Palestinian and Israeli governments, its hardly a "cute" statement. The two state solution is a justification of the idea the Israeli state must be a majority Jewish one, or else; therefore the many Palestinians that work and live in Israel will be seen as a threat. Partition flat out doesn't work.