LGBT students are apparently not allowed to know that their rights didn't fall from the skies.
Also, lmao: anti-Stonewall protest organizer Amelia Eskenazi on Facebook: "Critical discussion is a tactic to perpetuate oppressive ideologies." I mean, what on earth...? One would think this has to be satirical, but apparently it's not.
Trans people consider discussing the nature of trans-ness to be an attack because they know that once you think about it in any detail, it doesn't really make any sense.
Don't insult the rest of the forum by insinuating we share the same thought processes and therefore are as dense as you, pls.
The Trans community has no answer to the question "what makes someone a man or a woman?"
Tbh I and others have made the answe many times on both Atlas forums, a collective wealth of words that has been ignored by Atlas's "community" of neckbeard rapist misanthropists, a community consisting soley of you, you piece of human trash. Responding to reasoned argument isn't fun for a little drip like you, I guess, so you continue to breather on as if you are the world's densest most impenetrable being. I don't buy that act, you inbred POS. Jump in a lake and logoff forever you useless loser.
Christ dude chill he's just trying to have a debate, maybe he hasn't seen your posts before, why not just say it again?
Was drunk tbf and Willips is an annoying idiot so he pissed me off. Sorry Willips.
Anyway, the reason trans activists have difficulty articulating the concrete differences between the genders, is, err, nobody can. There are a
few factors that are a mark of dimorphism, but none of them are 100% reliable or can be taken at face value. here are some of them:
karyotypic differencesThe first port of call is the lesson we all learnt (or will learn in the case of some of our junior members) around the age of 12: the role of the sex-determining chromosomes, which in humans is based on the
XY system. At fertilisation, the presence of the Y chromosome (in particular the SRY region) will cause an embryo to develop as a male, the lack of it (XX) will cause a female embryo to develop.
Unfortunately, much like many such simple science lessons, this process becomes filled with asterisks and "well ... but". sometimes when the sperm or egg get "made" in the Gonads the "manufacturing process" effs up. The X chromosome could accidentally get "given" the SRY region causing a genetic male to develop as a woman (de La Chapelle syndrome). Klinefelter's syndrome (XXY) by gametes foolishly carrying more than one sex chromosome, is also fairly common and causes sterile males. turner's syndrome is another such case of Abnormality, where individuals are born with only one X chromosome. And really there is no limit to the amount of chromomes a mutation during gamete production can give you tbh. (Although 4+ sex chromomes is rare for logical reasons)
I say this not to suggest these disorders are "the cause" of transgenderism, (they aren't, although a few studies have shown different genetic influences on transgenderism) but to emphasise that the classic chromosomal pattern is not a foolproof way to mark the distinction between the two sexes or to answer the question "what makes a man or a woman".
Primary sex differences: genitals
Now this seems like an easy one t first. When babies are born, one of the gist things the medic mug do is sex it. He or she will look at the genitals, and tick male or female depending on what they see. Many people view the whole of humanity little more than disembodied genitalia, so this seems fair: A binary way of establishing maleness and femaleness.
But yet ... no. Like all population information, the exact percentage is
hilariously different depending on the definition (it seems to be about as common as typical transgender people fwiw), but the number of
intersex people - people who were born with atypical sex chararistics - is enough to menace the lives of poor doctors who have to make coin-tosses to see what gender to assign ( official doctor's guidelines give an amusingly bureaucratic definition on the lengths of clitori and penises to help them out). These intersexual symptoms can manifest themselves in all sorts of ways: overproduction of steroids in womb, inability of cell receptors to detect testosterone, the syndromes described above etc.
The ambiguities above suggest that genitals alone cannot mark the differences between men and women. The IOC and other sporting organisations have run into the same problem, and most experts agree that existing "genital tests" are ridiculous and unfair.
What about some other form of sexual dimorphism? Secondary sex attributes maybe? They only start manifesting themselves upon puberty and the activation of several hormones, most importantly the steroids oestrogen and testosterone. Perhaps hormones is the only to distinguish between the genders.
Well, no. First off this implies that children are a genderless blob until the age of eleven, which is not true. Many studies have shown that boys and girls, even accounting for the influence of socialisation, have significantly different psychological make-ups (the important thing in these sort of studies is to remember there is
overlap and the study is
general, otherwise tradcons come out of the woodwork and soapbox about being right along.) the creepy experiment of Dr John Money who essentially abused a child to promote his theory leaves gender neutral preadolescence even shadier - Dr money would prematurely claim success, but the child would commit suicide later on life and was stalked with various mental issues and sexual confusion.
It is clear hormones do have a strong effect on brain plasticity though (there was a very peculiar theory that floated round in the past that explained away gender dysphoria by suggesting they should be cured with their birth gender's hormones - which breaks down in about three seconds if you think about it, and was definitively disproven earlier this year). These cannot explain all dimorphism found by psychologists in early childhood (as explained above) but it gives some credence to the idea that hormones do change the brain. HOWEVER other studies have shown that the each gender's brain responds better to the correct hormone. (This seems to be the best working hypothesis I've found for transgenderism)
Dimorphism in the BrainThis is controversial, partially becomes it comes laden with irritating pseuds seeking scientific cover for lousy WOMEN FROM MARS MEN FROM PENIS jokes, and partially because it is
very political by nature. Some feminists would have you believe that there are no differences between the brains of men and women. This is not true, certainly from a
physiological perspective (the brain anatomy are very different) and probably not from a neurological POV. mRI scans show several clear differences between men and women.
In terms of transgender people in particular, although "male brain in a female body" is a dumb media neologism; several regions of the brains in both trans women and trans men behave as their gender identity when scanned. The terminal stria region of the brain (which regulates sexual arousal and anxiety) have been most well-looked at by several independent studies all of which show the same result: transgender people have similar terminal stria sizes to their chosen identity. This again seems to boost the idea that the brains of transgender women, when controlled for the effects of hormones, are more
similar to genetic females than genetic males (and vice versa for FTM's)
Not many trans people have the time or inclination to dip into arcane medical studies and I don't blame them. For your average Josephine it is simple as "I'm hurting, I need treatment". I've never seen somebody walk up to someone with liver cancer and ask them the physiological implications, but every transgender person must be confronted with complicated matters. But it seems clear to me that gender (quite apart from that arbitrary "sex" we use to give upon birth so bureaucrats can do their stuff) is complicated, to the extent your quest for a "simple definition between the two genders" is futile. You
can't dismiss an theory because it's complicated. Gender is a competing feud between a veritable smorgasbord of different factors: genetic, prenatal, physiological, endocrine, neurological, psychological and sociological. I'm afraid science is a complicated thing.
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