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« on: January 23, 2023, 09:47:55 PM »

I think the only way America can heal racially is if the United States government gives descendants of Foundational Black Americans slavery reparations to those who's ancestors were enslaved from 1619 to 1865.

It would end this constant and tiring debate on race, let the chips fall where they may on Black investment and growth and start the process of an option of Black Americans deciding whether to go separate ways and moving on.

The more this reparations debate goes on, the more racial divisions will fester. Acknowledge wrongdoing was done, give Black Americans the option of separation, and move on and we won't have to hear the word racism again.

Really simple. The government should have done this since 1865.
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2023, 11:34:57 AM »

Do you honestly believe that reparations would cool race relations?

Yes, I do because it shuts up the crying and the complaints. Reparations are given, give the Black community the resources to build and do whatever.

The more this continues, the more damaging it is to race relations. Reparations is part of the healing process. To move on and part ways.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2023, 02:27:40 PM »

No reparations. That's all that needs to be said.


Ha. You are out of touch with your base.

There is a large segment of Black Americans that want this. Your party better get it done or you will see a dropoff in black turnout.

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2023, 02:55:55 PM »

Why does Black Americans demanding justice(including economic justice) bother people so much? It's really weird and shows how racist people are.

 
What bothers people is asking random taxpayers who had nothing to do with slavery to foot the bill and try to play white guilt games with them. If anything it should come from the government not individual taxpayers. Look for slavers families and go from there
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2023, 02:57:03 PM »

Do you honestly believe that reparations would cool race relations?
Yes, I do because it shuts up the crying and the complaints. Reparations are given, give the Black community the resources to build and do whatever.

How do you think white (and Asian and Latino) Americans would react to reparations? Do you think it would be a positive reaction?
They would probably have to deal with it, activists will say that they benefit from slavery since they get more breaks than blacks. This is where the Democrats may split because their base would balkanize than it is already and the Republicans would probably benefit short term.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2023, 04:15:28 PM »

Why does Black Americans demanding justice(including economic justice) bother people so much? It's really weird and shows how racist people are.

 
What bothers people is asking random taxpayers who had nothing to do with slavery to foot the bill and try to play white guilt games with them. If anything it should come from the government not individual taxpayers. Look for slavers families and go from there

  Black Americans have a legitimate case against The United States government, many states, and several major corporations. What any other groups of Americans thinks doesn't really matter. It's also self-serving to say "it has nothing to do with me" but then interject a stupid opinion. If it really has nothing to do with you, shut your mouth! And if you don't like the American government and companies righting a wrongdoing go back to whatever country you or your ancestors came from.
Don't talk about it to the rest of the American people, they don't care. You can't force them to care. If you're gonna have the attitude like that, don't expect reparations to happen. You have to persuade the public, not talk down. Attitudes like yourself is why people favor separation, you can't please people like you. Resentment is caused by people like you. I hope reparations happens and whenever have to hear about stuff like this again. And if communities can't succeed after reparations, it will be telling.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2023, 04:35:30 PM »

Why does Black Americans demanding justice(including economic justice) bother people so much? It's really weird and shows how racist people are.

 
What bothers people is asking random taxpayers who had nothing to do with slavery to foot the bill and try to play white guilt games with them. If anything it should come from the government not individual taxpayers. Look for slavers families and go from there

  Black Americans have a legitimate case against The United States government, many states, and several major corporations. What any other groups of Americans thinks doesn't really matter. It's also self-serving to say "it has nothing to do with me" but then interject a stupid opinion. If it really has nothing to do with you, shut your mouth! And if you don't like the American government and companies righting a wrongdoing go back to whatever country you or your ancestors came from.
Don't talk about it to the rest of the American people, they don't care. You can't force them to care. If you're gonna have the attitude like that, don't expect reparations to happen. You have to persuade the public, not talk down. Attitudes like yourself is why people favor separation, you can't please people like you. Resentment is caused by people like you. I hope reparations happens and whenever have to hear about stuff like this again. And if communities can't succeed after reparations, it will be telling.

 Why is that Black people getting some of what was stolen from them, a cause of resentment for anybody? Answer that question honestly or shut up because you're just babbling nonsense.
I agree with you that Black Americans deserve reparations. However of the tone like yours, saying that people should shut up about it and stay out of it, that is where I disagree. Your tone. When it comes to the federal government, it's the American people's business. Especially if it comes to taxpayer money. It should come from slave owners families, not anyone else. After that, black and white America should consider separation.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2023, 05:50:14 PM »

Why does Black Americans demanding justice(including economic justice) bother people so much? It's really weird and shows how racist people are.

 
What bothers people is asking random taxpayers who had nothing to do with slavery to foot the bill and try to play white guilt games with them. If anything it should come from the government not individual taxpayers. Look for slavers families and go from there

  Black Americans have a legitimate case against The United States government, many states, and several major corporations. What any other groups of Americans thinks doesn't really matter. It's also self-serving to say "it has nothing to do with me" but then interject a stupid opinion. If it really has nothing to do with you, shut your mouth! And if you don't like the American government and companies righting a wrongdoing go back to whatever country you or your ancestors came from.
Don't talk about it to the rest of the American people, they don't care. You can't force them to care. If you're gonna have the attitude like that, don't expect reparations to happen. You have to persuade the public, not talk down. Attitudes like yourself is why people favor separation, you can't please people like you. Resentment is caused by people like you. I hope reparations happens and whenever have to hear about stuff like this again. And if communities can't succeed after reparations, it will be telling.

 Why is that Black people getting some of what was stolen from them, a cause of resentment for anybody? Answer that question honestly or shut up because you're just babbling nonsense.
I agree with you that Black Americans deserve reparations. However of the tone like yours, saying that people should shut up about it and stay out of it, that is where I disagree. Your tone. When it comes to the federal government, it's the American people's business. Especially if it comes to taxpayer money. It should come from slave owners families, not anyone else. After that, black and white America should consider separation.

The American government, several states, and companies all had laws or policies that stole and/or denied Black people wealth. Black people are also taxpayers. When the government was subsidizing housing for White Americans and creating a wealth gap that exists to this day, Black people were paying taxes while being redlined. Your point is ridiculous! My tone comes from the fact that your personal opinion of reparations doesn't amount to squat. The fact you follow it up with some racist segregationist talk reveals why you find reparations to be so offensive while claiming you support it. Basically writing "give the Blacks some money, so we can wash our hands of them." Your post is condescending and stupid and then you have the nerve to talk about my tone.

I know that. That is a historical fact.

Your tone is dismissing the rest of the country on the fact that you have to sell this in order for Congress to approve. That tone will make this proposal a proposal 30 years from now instead of it being stead in stone. Get my drift?

Politics is about persuasion and the tone you and other activists have increase resentment.

I don't find reparations to be offensive, I think it is the right thing to do to repair the problem, and I hope the problem is repaired once and for all. If after reparations happen and there is still problems, then it is telling on the community that reparations could not alleviate the problems.

Nothing wrong with separation, it is in human nature to align with people of the same race, religion, etc.

It's clear that blacks and whites still don't get along, why continue the charade? I want to see Black Americans get reparations, build a foundation and separate from the rest of the country and build an empire. Why would you want to live amongst white people?
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2023, 06:50:53 PM »

Why does Black Americans demanding justice(including economic justice) bother people so much? It's really weird and shows how racist people are.

 
What bothers people is asking random taxpayers who had nothing to do with slavery to foot the bill and try to play white guilt games with them. If anything it should come from the government not individual taxpayers. Look for slavers families and go from there

Bronz, how do you think taxes work?

You are going to have to sell this to the majority of Americans. Why, how and how would it benefit the country.

Activists using racial language doesn't help. Reparations should have happened long time ago, it is sad that Black American slaves were not paid for their brutal labor.

However it is a Democratic Party problem. You would have to have a supermajority to get it done, and you would lose your majority worse than you did in 2010. That's the downside to it. But it is a moral thing to do, but you will probably have to wait for the white population to decrease in the 2040s and 2050s to get this done..

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2023, 07:11:11 PM »

And if communities can't succeed after reparations, it will be telling.

Let's put a stop to these bad faith arguments once and for all. What will it "tell" about "communities", Bronz?

Reparations are meant for Black Americans to rebuild and grow strong communities. That means better police-civilian relations (question to whether there will even be a police force), etc.

If there are still underlying problems, then it shows that reparations is not a fix and it needs to come more strategically like economic focus than cultural focus.
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2023, 08:24:26 PM »

If there are still underlying problems, then it shows that reparations is not a fix and it needs to come more strategically like economic focus than cultural focus.

Economic focus like reparations? Nice save, I guess it wouldn't be "telling" about "communities" like you said before you shifted the goalposts.

It will be telling if crime is still a nagging problem in these communities after reparations, yes. It will show that there is a cultural problem. That's facts.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2023, 08:41:47 PM »

Why does Black Americans demanding justice(including economic justice) bother people so much? It's really weird and shows how racist people are.

 
What bothers people is asking random taxpayers who had nothing to do with slavery to foot the bill and try to play white guilt games with them. If anything it should come from the government not individual taxpayers. Look for slavers families and go from there

Bronz, how do you think taxes work?

You are going to have to sell this to the majority of Americans. Why, how and how would it benefit the country.

Activists using racial language doesn't help. Reparations should have happened long time ago, it is sad that Black American slaves were not paid for their brutal labor.

However it is a Democratic Party problem. You would have to have a supermajority to get it done, and you would lose your majority worse than you did in 2010. That's the downside to it. But it is a moral thing to do, but you will probably have to wait for the white population to decrease in the 2040s and 2050s to get this done..

The fastest growing racial bloc is Hispanics. Why would they support reparations they aren't getting?

Because they benefit from African American culture, like rap/hip hop. Also, Hispanic civil rights leaders in the 1960s molded their work from the Civil Rights Movement....however, this is where the Democratic Party coalition frays.

That is why I laugh when people say that Bush and Trump are the last Republican presidents, no..GOP has room to grow with Hispanics.

It is a high risk/high reward move.....Hispanics probably don't know much about Black History in the first place.
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