Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

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The police are an outmoded institution and will someday soon - in the historical sense - be replaced by community policing between unofficiated individuals.This of course will incur vigilantism etc. at first, but more humane ways of social integration will be developed from that point out.

What do you mean by this?

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They make police targets out of themselves, the police. I wonder if Pete King, John Krupinsky, Mike LiPetri and the other police apologists will say now.

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Looks like the protest isn't going that well in Minneapolis right now.

Oh boy.......will the Republicans and Democrats play politics with it?

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It's not like it's a deeply entrenched stereotype that all cops are evil KKK members. There are bad ones as well as good ones. Bad ones like this do get fired.

Do you notice that most of the hardcore police apologists are quiet tonight? I mean the hardcore, hardcore ones. Jerry Jones, Boomer Esiason, Pete King, Mike LiPetri, John Krupinsky, etc.

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It's not like it's a deeply entrenched stereotype that all cops are evil KKK members. There are bad ones as well as good ones. Bad ones like this do get fired.

Do you notice that most of the hardcore police apologists are quiet tonight? I mean the hardcore, hardcore ones. Jerry Jones, Boomer Esiason, Pete King, Mike LiPetri, John Krupinsky, etc.

I hate Pete King. He's terrible. Thank God he's retiring. Isn't he that crazy hardcore law and order LIGOP Congressman?

Yes. His potential successor Mike LiPetri is like that as well, but less crazy.

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It's not like it's a deeply entrenched stereotype that all cops are evil KKK members. There are bad ones as well as good ones. Bad ones like this do get fired.

Do you notice that most of the hardcore police apologists are quiet tonight? I mean the hardcore, hardcore ones. Jerry Jones, Boomer Esiason, Pete King, Mike LiPetri, John Krupinsky, etc.

I do notice, and I'm glad they have some shame.

Esiason slammed Kaepernick in 2016 for his anthem protests. Stephen A Smith said that Esiason doesn't understand what it is like to be black, and the week after, he discussed it further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEPAOTf2B0&t=303s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ7eKnfC_xQ&t=312s

Esiason is from Long Island as well, people on LI have family/friends that went through 9/11. They see things differently.

The whole national anthem thing is too politicized.

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There is nothing wrong with a cop being a Trump supporter, but if that is a real photo, then Trump supporters will look very, very bad. Also, if you want real police reform, you have to get rid of the Bob Krolls and the Pat Lynches of the World. Also, SJWs need to stop demonizing all police. You do that, the more shy Trump voters you get and the more police officers gravitate to the blue collar GOP culture. Political parties should not "own" a sector.

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Absolutely despicable. Hopefully these so-called "cops", who betrayed their oath, get a strong punishment. Maybe they find some time in a prison cell to think about what a police officer is supposed to do: Save lives and not take them.

It's quite painful these incidents still happen in our time. There is for sure not the solution that can cure all these problems. But it seems to me that US police officers are not trained enough on these matters and, even more importantly, there aren't enough black officers. More African American cops, especially in neighborhoods with high black population, would improve trust between citizens and police. And it would help sensibilize non-black police officers to have more black colleagues. Also, if police departments try to recruit more African Americans, it could provide career opportunities for black men and black women. That of course means career opportunities and a fair pay for those officers, who actually risk their own lives to protect others.

Trump deserves part of the blame for stocking hate and division, though there is just little beyond words a president can do. Of course they matter, but local officials have to take care these problems are being taken care of. Regardless of political ideology and partisan affiliation.

This, but in the black communities, a black cop is seen as an Uncle Tom, or a sellout, just for trying to be for order and helping solve crimes/saving lives/etc.

A police officer is a thankless, no-win, Catch-22 job that is in a crisis of legitimacy.

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Absolutely despicable. Hopefully these so-called "cops", who betrayed their oath, get a strong punishment. Maybe they find some time in a prison cell to think about what a police officer is supposed to do: Save lives and not take them.

It's quite painful these incidents still happen in our time. There is for sure not the solution that can cure all these problems. But it seems to me that US police officers are not trained enough on these matters and, even more importantly, there aren't enough black officers. More African American cops, especially in neighborhoods with high black population, would improve trust between citizens and police. And it would help sensibilize non-black police officers to have more black colleagues. Also, if police departments try to recruit more African Americans, it could provide career opportunities for black men and black women. That of course means career opportunities and a fair pay for those officers, who actually risk their own lives to protect others.

Trump deserves part of the blame for stocking hate and division, though there is just little beyond words a president can do. Of course they matter, but local officials have to take care these problems are being taken care of. Regardless of political ideology and partisan affiliation.

This, but in the black communities, a black cop is seen as an Uncle Tom, or a sellout, just for trying to be for order and helping solve crimes/saving lives/etc.

A police officer is a thankless, no-win, Catch-22 job that is in a crisis of legitimacy.

I think it needs more community organizing and social workers on many levels. Police officers of all races should already go to school and work with kids and youngsters. In a neighborhoold, police and citizens are no strangers to each other, there is more trust and less problems. It's also connected to economic opportunities and housing for depressed areas, because more jobs and wealth mean less (violent) crime.

True. Policing is politicized. The Republican Party feels a cultural affinity to police, the Democratic Party is seen as anti-police, Police Week every year is always politicized, because a lot of the families spout right wing talk during those events, so it is a bad thing all around.

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University of Minnesota has severed their ties with the Minneapolis Police Department:

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1265786445853151234?s=20

This is what they cause on themselves.

The people of Minneapolis in those venues will have to protect themselves, because the police WILL not come to help them.

The police departments cause this on themselves.

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How will this play in the Minneapolis-St. Paul suburbs, where the back the blue is more prevalent in the suburbs and where Republicans could use it to define the Democrats as anti-police?

Chauvin lives in Oakdale, MN, a suburb of Minneapolis.

Democratic Rep. Betty McCollum represents the area.

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I haven't read the rest of this thread, but a few thoughts:

1) That video was hard to watch - senselessly sad, and I am glad that these officers were fired after a proper investigation.  It's mind boggling that this happened ... well, sadly it isn't. :/

2) Even taking the obvious moral issues out of it, what in the HELL did that officer think would happen?!  Has he never turned on the news regarding his field of work in the last several years?  The guy was wearing a body cam, for Pete's sake.  Even if he weren't an alleged murderer, he is a HUGE idiot.

3) It really is sad that a minority of cops gives so many a bad name, and I hope that this picks up a trend of prosecuting actions like this to the fullest.  Every cop I have interacted with or seen here in Chicago has been so nice and helpful, and a very large minority of them have been Black.  I can't even imagine the complex feelings they're feeling right now.

Yeah, it’s really a shame how quickly we have gone to generalizing all cops just because of a few bad ones (when most are devoted towards serving the community)
It kinda reminds me of when Alt-Righters used ISIS to justify rhetoric against Muslims.

Generalizations suck.

(Yes I get the irony don’t point it out)

We should not generalize all cops, but the SJWs/Twitter started that. That in a sense started the Blue Lives Matter movement, it elected Trump.

You should see Twitter.
However, I don't know if this will matter in the general election. We will see.

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Tomi Lahren is being attacked for not commenting on the Floyd killing, but the looting that we see right now.

https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1265829956405387264

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I'm fairly sure all of us think this is an injustice and that police in the United States has to be reevaluated.  My question is, what steps can be taken to reduce this?  The arrest of the officers seems like a band-aid, not a long-term solution.

People shouldn't be calling for the murder of police like they do on Twitter. That's a start. Also, police departments should realize that there is a problem.

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Freeman needs to show his a** and jail the killer cops, or else, his house will burn down.

Freeman ran for governor in 1998.

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They should lock up the cops.....period.

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He's claiming now that he misspoke.

https://twitter.com/TedHallerLegal/status/1266142315128786945?s=19

And that what he meant was look at all evidence before filing charges including evidence that wouldn't support a charge. Not to imply there's exonerating evidence.

But that's ONE HELL OF AN AWFUL MISSPEAK.

It wasn't a misspeak he accidentally let the truth out. That why most of us in the Black community don't expect an indictment. The whole press conference was more a less a stunt to calm suburban Karens.

Yes, a lot of suburban people fled the cities because they don't like crime/looting, but they should have charged them right away.

A lot of people think this may flip MN to Trump.

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Even Free Republic is outraged by this: https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3848723/posts

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3848702/posts?q=1&;page=1

They pushed back against members who tried to defend this

It's about time. I never understood why some segments on the right chose to rally around the police officers in question in these types of situations. I'm not a Conservative or Republican but I always felt that Republicans had the opportunity to challenge Democrats on this issue since most DAs and Police Chief who failed to deliver justice were in fact mostly Democrats.

It is because a lot of the hardcore SJWs paint all police as bad, and a lot of white male police officers turned more Republican. It was 50-50 in the past, but even in deep blue NJ, I see a lot of white male cops spout Trumpian talking points.

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They just burned the Minneapolis Police precinct.

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They just burned the Minneapolis Police precinct.

Who is they?

The rioters/protesters

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I think I the strategy of the police is to withdraw until public rage builds at the rioters enough that they have room for maneuver. "All cops are bastards?" They are quietly saying to the public. "How about we show you a week or two without us? You'll come crawling back!"

Seems smart.

That is what a lot of cops are saying....like this NYPD officer Mike Counihan, who is also an noted athlete.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oKtDvHRg5/

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Asking "pretty please" doesn't seem to get cops to stop killing black people, so I'm not going to clutch my pearls over a few broken windows.

I can easily see these protests spreading across the country. This is what tends to happen when you ignore problems. Diseases spread, people die, neighborhoods burn. America is a sick nation.

Yea, say that to some NFL coaches/GMs. If you are Kaepernick, you will get cut and lose your job.

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I think I the strategy of the police is to withdraw until public rage builds at the rioters enough that they have room for maneuver. "All cops are bastards?" They are quietly saying to the public. "How about we show you a week or two without us? You'll come crawling back!"

Seems smart.

That is what a lot of cops are saying....like this NYPD officer Mike Counihan, who is also an noted athlete.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oKtDvHRg5/

This jackass really said "the people I work with and swore to protect".

These guys aren't on our team at all.

Counihan says that police are a team, but the same police you hate are the same ones who you will be running to when you need them. It also shows that a lot of conservative-leaning areas appreciate the police more. A lot of Democratic areas are in a world of pain if a lot of cops like that one decides to abandon those areas....

Republicans are already seen as the party of law and order anyway.....

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I think I the strategy of the police is to withdraw until public rage builds at the rioters enough that they have room for maneuver. "All cops are bastards?" They are quietly saying to the public. "How about we show you a week or two without us? You'll come crawling back!"

Seems smart.

That is what a lot of cops are saying....like this NYPD officer Mike Counihan, who is also an noted athlete.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oKtDvHRg5/

This jackass really said "the people I work with and swore to protect".

These guys aren't on our team at all.

Counihan says that police are a team, but the same police you hate are the same ones who you will be running to when you need them.

Cops don't come to neighborhoods like mine to "protect and serve".

Then what is his purpose? The police's purpose? Do you realize that the police are on the verge of being Republicanfied, where it's an us versus them thing, where Democrats will have mistrust and Republicans will have the "cop can do no wring"?

If no police, then what?

https://mikecounihan.com/

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My solution

1. Fire any police officer who kills anyone, anyone, regardless of race, unarmed.

2. Charge the police officer to a maximum death penalty.

3. Prevent police unions from making political endorsements. POLICE WORK FOR ALL AMERICANS, NOT JUST RIGHT LEANING AMERICANS. ACT LIKE IT.

4. Police officers: DROP THE ATTITUDE DURING ENCOUNTERS. You work for the people. Don't have an attitude with a citizen and vice versa with a citizen and a cop.

5. ANY POLICE OFFICER WHO MAKES RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK OR OTHER ONLINE SOCIAL MEDIA SHOULD BE FIRED AND CONTAINED

6. DE-ESCALATION. USE FORCE UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. YOU DO NOT NEED TO BRANDISH GUN ON SUSPECT UNLESS NECESSARY

7. AMERICA NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO WITH RACE. WE HAVE OVERCAME, BUT WE HAVE A FAR WAY TO GO

8. POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO REALIZE THEY ARE BAD APPLES AND ROOT IT OUT. KEEP YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS OUT OF MIND AT WORK.