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« on: January 09, 2021, 12:37:47 PM »

By their objectives I assume you mean overrunning the capitol, executing a few dozen people (Pelosi, Pence, Schumer?) and causing even more damage.  I don't think this would be a meaningful victory and they would certainly not have control over the state.

I think it would end with an even bigger backlash against Trump and Trumpites and a Patriot Act 2.0 that would prohibit them from gathering and organizing.  The longer this had gone on and more damage it had caused the more Republicans would have turned against it.  We saw support for objecting to electoral slates go down when these rioters had made it into the building.  If they had killed a member of Congress, I imagine you could get even more Republicans on board with whatever Biden decided to push.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2021, 02:52:29 PM »

Where’re we getting the idea that the protesters at the Capitol wanted to kill Schumer and Pelosi?  Is that what they were chanting?  Did they kill anyone else along the way?  lmao

If the mob had been allowed to overrun the Capitol well into the night, then the House/Senate would have convened somewhere else to certify the electoral college results.  This actually isn’t unprecedented.  An emergency forced the Senate to convene at an alternate location in 2011.  Anyone want to guess what it was?
There were more than a few threats (https://www.adl.org/blog/extremists-and-mainstream-trump-supporters-plan-to-protest-congressional-certification-of) (https://www.g4s.com/en-us/-/media/g4s/usa/files/whitepapers/1_-_g4s_crs_-_intelligence_assessment_jan_2021_washington_dc_-_210104.ashx?la=en&hash=86001B27FAEA725CDD73605B088933C8) People showed up with zipties.  What were those for?  I'm assuming not ziptie parties in the Capitol.  If they had somehow surrounded the lawmakers I doubt every single person, or even a majority, would have been involved with killing lawmakers but with the multitude of threats made out there, I think it is a distinct possibility there was representation from the most extreme elements and they would have taken action.  And yes, they did kill someone along the way.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2021, 04:02:46 PM »

That would bad and was definitely within the range of possible outcomes (which I said in the post) but the debate in this thread is about "objectives" of the mob and my point is that there were none. The chaotic energy of rogue individuals isn't strategy.

People talking about shared concrete plans to kill specific members of congress (as if the coup was of a single strategic vision) are overplaying their hand, which is strange, because the situation was ghastly and horrifying enough that there really is no need to present anything beyond the facts of the case. An entropic band of roughians dispensing their violent anararchistic energy in the seat of Congress is very, very bad even if people weren't planning on killing Nancy Pelosi!
As I understand it, this thread is asking what would the reaction be if this event had been much worse.  Just as only a minority of the people listening to Trump's speech actually made it into the Capitol (at least that's how it appears to me) I believe an even smaller minority would have actually engaged in any acts of violence.  Honestly, I think what happened was enough to quite a few of the people gathered there.  They seemed to have few plans and went home.  Still, I could see a small, determined group actually assaulting or killing lawmakers which in my mind is the worst possible outcome.
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