15% of Canadians for Bush

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In a recent poll, 15% of Canadians say that they would vote for President Bush if they had the oppurtunity.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_4987.shtml

This shows the world's opposition to the Bush presidency.

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I did not make this thread to try to expose JMF's xenophobic ways, but it has done just that.  Anyway, I will imitate a John post on this subject below:

Canadans will not chose the president
american will chose who they want bush kerry
i think americans wil chose bush on nov 2 204 51-32%

bush will have 310 votes to kery 108

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good?

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2 entries found for xenophobic.
xen·o·phobe    
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

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I never referred to the GOP as the liberal party.  What I said was that many Democrats were more conservative than many Republicans at that times, see Wallace v. Nixon, Thurmond v. Eisenhower.

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2 entries found for xenophobic.
xen·o·phobe    
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

I have never indicated a fear or contempt for foreigners.  I just don't want them mucking around in my business.  Same goes for next door neighbors on my block.

Pro 25:17 "Seldom set foot in your neighbor's house- too much of you, and he will hate you."

Wanting independence and privacy is not a symptom of fear, rather it is a sign of confidence.

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I never referred to the GOP as the liberal party.  What I said was that many Democrats were more conservative than many Republicans at that times, see Wallace v. Nixon, Thurmond v. Eisenhower.

I don't know by what "conservative" measure you're using to compare these people.  But the fact are clear and are not in question:
1)the GOP was known as the conservative party in the time frame in question
2)the GOP has a voting record more accepting of civil rights than the Dems voting record.  This record dates back to the 1850's.
3)racism, by definition, is not a "conservative" doctrine of Christianity.  Racism and Christianity are in conflict with each other.

Again, you fail to back up an argument without using the bible or religion.

I never said Christianity = Racism.  You know that I never said that.

And, at the old forum, you displayed much comtempt with European members.

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Because you can't seem to understand the desire for privacy, I quoted a proverb showing that good neighbors mind their own business.

How are the European members infringing on your privacy?  They just discuss policy with us Americans.  They are not barging into your house, or even cluttering the boards with useless threads.  They mean no harm, and they do no harm.

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This is not your forum, therefore they have not set foot on your property.  And we have all set foot on Leip's property, whether we live in New York or Texas or London or Berlin.

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You refer to "American fear" within a discussion of the desire to keep the US independent, yet you then turn around and ask us to cool down the personal retorts?  

There may be great economic benefit for me to share the same roof with my next door neighbor, but that doesn't mean that I care to do so.  And my desire to remain under separate roofs has nothing to do with "fear".

No, that really isn't much like what I said.

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I know he was.

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I know he was.

OK...then why the "that really isn't much like what I said"?

Read this thread starting at page 4 and you'll understand.

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In fact, I basically told Leip the same thing.

You see hwat I mean now, Gustaf?

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In fact, I basically told Leip the same thing.

You see hwat I mean now, Gustaf?

Yes, but you quoted the wrong post, that's what caused the confusion in the first place.

Oh...well, I'm not perfect

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Don't bother, MiamiU is attempting to go off on a tangent because I have made a sound point in my argument with him.

He desires to illogical label those wanting independence as xenophobic in order to justify his attempts at controlling their lives.

I do not blame you for wanting independence from canada. (I don't think the USA should unite with Canada.)  I do blame you for being the only forum member to openly stand up against the Europeans at the forum.  You did this alot at the old forum.

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Maybe this thread wasn't such a good idea after all, I just thought it was a cute little poll I found.

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Maybe this thread wasn't such a good idea after all, I just thought it was a cute little poll I found.

Well, a lively debate is usually nice, but this one got kind of carried away.

I didn't think this would be a debate thread...but then it just happened

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I don't want forced agreement...however the point of debate may be to persuade other people to take your side of the argument.  That rarely happens, but I do believe that is the purpose of debate.

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<<But, as a matter of fact, I do find odd the desire to debate another country's internal politics.>>

The USA is the world's lone superpower, the USA has a large impact on the lives of foreigners, so they have the right to take part in debate on the subject of the USA.

<<BUT...BUT...BUT...BUT...I also find odd the desire to debate your next door neighbor's internal family business.  And I have taken great pains to explain my relationship with my next door neighbor, in order to make the point perfectly clear.>>

Different Countries cannot be accurately labeled as neighboring families; the international relationships between countries is far more complex than that.

<<And you always seem to bring up the label when you have no other point to make.>>

If you nread this thread from the beginning, slapped the 'xenophobe' label on your back before this debate even started, so your last point is not truthful.

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Liberal Nation:

ME, VT, RI, MA, CT, NY, NJ, ILL, MI, CA, WA, HI, WV, MN, DE, DC, MO

Moderate Nation:

NH, VA, FLA, AR, WI, IA, PA, IN, OH, AZ, NM, CO, OR, TN, NV

Conservative Nation:

AL, AK, GA, ID, KS, KY, LA, MS, MT, NE, NC, ND, OK, SC, SD, TX, UT, WY

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Red is liberal nation, blue is conservative nation, and grey is moderate nation:


Liberal nation actually leads in EV's, with 215 compared to conservative nation's 146 and moderate nation's 177.  

President of liberal nation: Al Gore
President of Conservative nation: George W. Bush
President of moderate nation: Colin Powell

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Everyone can post their own map of liberal/conservative/moderate nation so we can compare.

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Border controls would be tough...

Yes, probably...considering Florida borders conservative nation, that could flare up, but it really is only dangerous if liberal nations borders conservative nation.  The WV/KY border could be bad, as could he west coast.

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Note that President Bush got an overwhelming number of "moderate nation's" votes

Also note that President Clinton got an overwhelming number of "moderate nation's" votes in 1996.

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I meant dividing the nation into conservative/liberal/moderate

Aha! Did MiamiU put iowa into the wrong column?

ROFL!

Huh?  What?

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Bump, so everyone can see JMF soundly kicking my ass in an old debate.

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lol, i get so embarrassed when I reead my old posts when I was an 'american'...

"Now, here in Davenport, a city in east Iowa with a population of 97,777 that, I, being a resident, have memorized..."



I'm so glad I was not here a few years ago...I would have been such a pain.  Moreso than I am nowadays.

the forum was not here a few years ago.

There has been a forum on the Atlas since late 2001/Early 2002.