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Question: Are you anticommunist?
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Yes (D)
 
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Yes (R)
 
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Yes (I)
 
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No (D)
 
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No (R)
 
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No (I)
 
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SWE
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« on: September 27, 2015, 08:43:38 AM »

I am surprised so many are anticommunist.  If we take the The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto of 1848

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work.  Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

It seems to me that the mainstream and for sure center-left parts if the Dem party are for most of what is above with even a good part of the GOP are for or at least accepted some of the above.
Stop embarrassing yourself
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 04:37:36 PM »

I have to say, TNF is making a very good case in this thread in favor of voting yes.

To those of you who say communism is dead and buried, I'd point you to the five states which are ruled by communist parties and which remain alive and well in the 21st Century, in spite of their bureaucratic deformations.

Only 5? Plenty of states have supposedly communist parties in power (Greece, Nepal, and Venezuela off the top of my head), and it's not like arbitrarily declaring these states to be socialist is any more absurd than referring to the Stalinist Beaurocratic collectivist states as such.
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I agree, China has been immensely successful as a capitalist and imperialist state. Not exactly sure what that has to do with the merits of communism?
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The only one of these places where this is even remotely true is Cuba, and even then, you only have to look at their immigration policies to see that they very much do care "where you hail from"

This reeks of the Smiley Sweden is socialist because public roads Smiley argument tbh (just with the democracy part of social democracy removed)
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Yes, the only risk of any gains made in these Marxist-Leninists Revolutions is when the Party beaurocracy decides market reforms are a more effective means of holding onto power.
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Yes, and the Grand Canyon is just a hole in the ground, and WWII was just a minor disagreement.
 
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Whereas being a slave to the state is so much better
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 01:01:24 PM »

Moreover, if all communist states end up in a deformed 'Stalinist bureaucracy', especially given their geopolitical, cultural, and economic diversity, what does that say about the viability of the ideology.
Not much, since none of these "communist states" had anything to do with communism.
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