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jojoju1998
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« on: December 09, 2023, 09:45:55 AM »

Due to bureaucracy and red tape, it's very unlikely we see any fruit from these efforts until the 2030s if it all. I don't think Americans will really use this as car culture is too embedded in our nation. However, there needs to be a focus on urban public transportation like light rail and subways and renovating the systems we already have. Caltrain looks like it was built in the 70s.


Well it's not the car culture per se but rather our air culture. But then again even in Europe, Air travel is more more popular than rail.

Indeed, in Europe, it's even CHEAPER. Cheaper than the US.

If you go from Paris to Rome, you will pay 46 dollars going on Ryanair. Yes, I know, Ryanair is crap, but it's very cheap, and it's worth it for some.


Meanwhile you go from Sacramento to Los Angeles, and you pay like like 200 dollars for a flight. Hmm.........
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jojoju1998
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2023, 09:49:46 AM »

Infrastructure is an area I do support increased spending such as this. Would like high speed rail between Vancouver BC, Seattle and Portland. Would love it even more if it also went across the mountains to Spokane but that is unlikely. Trainand public transport was so convenient when living abroad, would really like nore of it here. We need denser cities that are more walkable to be coupled with this to eliminate some of the car dependency.

I don't disagree with you per se. The problem is, people forget that a vast majority of American Cities were founded and grew in the 20th century, and there was open land, so they just grew outwards.


European Cities were a byproduct of centuries if not thousand of years of City States, and wars, so it grew on that basis. Hence the density, because it's ancient ! Just compare the history, and demographics of Madrid Spain to Houston Texas.
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jojoju1998
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2023, 11:48:04 AM »

China built a national high-speed rail system for less than how much our bipartisan infrastructure bill cost. This means that we could have all lines connecting basically any pair of cities <500 miles apart if we were as efficient as China, for less than $1.2 trillion. This includes earthquake zones and mountains in central China (ie Kunming to Shanghai 190 mph is mostly tunneled and actually was cheaper than most of the other lines).

It's not just China though. Most other countries with high speed rail, have built it for cheaper.

And this Vox article I found here explains why. https://www.vox.com/22534714/rail-roads-infrastructure-costs-america

There's a lot of government slowdown, inefficiencies, in how we plan and build infrastructure, differing, and conflicting laws on the local, state, and federal levels. China for instance, is more Unitary and so it's easier to implement something top down. The US is a Federalistic System.

Vox also points out that a lack of practice, drives up costs as well.

" There are also myriad ways the US needs to streamline the process for developing transit projects. Lewis explained to me that European regulators were often shocked that American transit agencies have to go through their own process to get authorization to shut down a street or prepare an area for construction.

“A lot of the [processes] that we use here in the United States are too slow or too cumbersome and outdated. We need to make it easier to build more and better transit projects,” Lewis explained.

But cutting down on bureaucracy doesn’t mean slashing government budgets — while simplifying the rules and regulations that go into developing projects, American transit agencies need to be staffed up in-house to reduce reliance on expensive contractors and build up institutional knowledge."
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jojoju1998
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2023, 01:53:35 PM »

The main problem with mass transit in this country is that we afford all these veto powers to wealthy individuals. Sorry, but if you don't want mass transit in your neighborhood then you need to find somewhere to live other than the city or the suburbs.

The Suburb that I live in; is actually home of one of the largest rail stations in California.


But for Cargo Rail. The irony is that for Cargo Rail, the US exceeds European Countries. https://www.freightwaves.com/news/why-is-europe-so-absurdly-backward-compared-to-the-u-s-in-rail-freight-transport In fact, US rail is dedicated mostly to Cargo.
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