67% of Democrats want someone other than Biden; 82% can’t name who they want

[jojoju1998]

Democrats are basically in the opposite situation that Republicans find themselves in. While the GOP is now functionally a personality cult that’s in lockstep/has certain “purity” tests during primaries, the Dems are rudderless.

Biden was sort of a default choice in 2020, and Kamala is not capable enough to fill the void looking forward.

Well as I said in the other part on the forum, we do have very talented state level democrats, and some senators as well. Tim Walz. Gretchen Whitmer. Jared Polis. JB Prtizker, Raphael Warnock, Josh Sharpiro, And yes Mark Kelly.


Problem is; unlike before, most of these people don't have the national profile; Mark Kelly, and Warnock, and maybe Whitmer are exceptions.


And would these people even WANT to run for President at all ??

[jojoju1998]

There's definitely a perception among most people outside of the party activist bubble that Biden is a do-nothing President (at best) and an incompetent senile fool (at worst), regardless of where the truth actually lies. Perceptions matter a hell of a lot more than the facts on the ground, and Democrats need to come to terms with this fact.

But shouldn’t these voters still come home to him?

Yeah, because they fear Donald.

[jojoju1998]

There's definitely a perception among most people outside of the party activist bubble that Biden is a do-nothing President (at best) and an incompetent senile fool (at worst), regardless of where the truth actually lies. Perceptions matter a hell of a lot more than the facts on the ground, and Democrats need to come to terms with this fact.

But shouldn’t these voters still come home to him?

Some of them will because of Trump, yes.
But there's definitely also a lot of people who are disillusioned enough with Biden's uninspired and 'boring' image (particularly young voters) that they may just stay home or vote 3rd party in 2024, even against Trump. Regardless of how true such a paradigm actually is, a lot of young voters (especially young leftists) see establishment liberals and Republicans as being nothing but two sides of the same corporatist coin.

American politics is something that's very easy to get disillusioned about in the modern day, and you're not going to win many favors by trying to explain Mixed Monetary Theory to someone who's complaining about their leaky roof.

Are we comparing this to 2016 again ?

2016 was a unique case because of Hillary Clinton; Biden doesn't have any of Hillary's issues, even if he's a moderate.

[jojoju1998]

It’s really amazing how a lot of left leaning people say they don’t like Joe Biden yet

1. Can’t name anyone better

2. Either Can’t articulate exactly what they don’t like about Biden or blame him for not achieving some next to impossible action or not tackling some issue they had not heard about till they scrolled through twitter that day

Because he is a old straight white guy. Thats it. Biden has presided as left as a president could with a 50 seat majority and they still want to complain. Even Bernie Sanders has called Biden amazing.

Americans aren't happy about something but can't name an alternative. News at 11. Also, water is wet.

So many candidates would be better than Biden. Evers, Shapiro, Mark Kelly, etc.

Shapiro, Whitmer and Kelly would all be good in 2028. None have enough experience yet.

Not sure experience has much do to with things.  Trump had zero electoral experience and got elected.  Obama was a first-term U.S. senator.

Also, Whitmer is being undersold. Whitmer has 20 years of Political experience.

[jojoju1998]

I feel like the universal expectation in the 2020 primary was Biden was going to defeat Trump and serve one term after. The one term and pass to the torch expectation kind of smoothed over age concerns in the primary. Most Dem voters were probably not expecting the idea of voting for a soon to be 86 y/o President down the road. So the polling on this makes sense to me. Biden has accomplished enough that he could step aside and still have a respectable legacy but there's his ego and he boxed himself with Harris, maybe on purpose.

There was also something of an expectation that if Trump lost he’d retire from politics, due to reports he didn’t like the actual job of the presidency during his first term.

If Trump didn't run again, would Biden ?

[jojoju1998]

I like Tim Walz.