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Question: Are white evangelicals  less moral than the average person?
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jojoju1998
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« on: April 27, 2023, 09:39:31 AM »

White SOUTHERN Evangelicals.... sure.

It should be noted that in the first 100 years or so of the History of the US, the least religious region was actually the South. But it was also quite a immoral region.


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jojoju1998
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2023, 09:49:20 AM »

Also; not all Evangelicals should be put in the same basket.

A Church of the Nazarene person is less biblically literalist than say a Baptist person. We also have to consider that White Evangelicalism is actually shrinking, and Trump voters are LESS likely to attend church.

The growing number of " Evangelical " Christians are actually immigrants. Koreans. Hispanics. just go onto the Fuller Seminary website, and look at their faculty. Fuller is one of the largest evangelical seminaries in the US.

Jerry Falwell isn't in trend anymore. He never was in the broader evangelical movement.

And they're also less likely to vote Republican, or at all.
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jojoju1998
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2023, 10:05:55 AM »

We take a look at the white supremacy issue ( Which I agree is a huge issue ), and it is dominant among white evangelicals. The issue is, Evangelicals as I said are getting more diverse. A lot of the new " Evangelicals " arrived as outsiders to the whole Jerry Falwell/Fundamentalist thing. Immigrants.

" As American studies professor Janelle Wong’s work has revealed, only 37 percent of Asian American evangelicals voted for Trump, and Asian American evangelicals are considerably more liberal than white evangelicals on many other political issues. (Wong identifies two notable exceptions: abortion and homosexuality.)

These discrepancies reflect our immigration history. Since most Asian American Christians came to this country after the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy, we do not have the same ax to grind against social justice. In the Asian American communities of my spiritual upbringing, evangelicalism was not a term of great interest. We understood ourselves simply as Christian. It was primarily in white Christian communities that the term carried so much weight, and it often operated as a marker against something, namely liberals who care about justice at the expense of orthodox doctrine.

There are thus resonances between Asian American evangelicals and Black Protestants who, having been excluded from white Christian communities, observed the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy as a squabble between white liberals and white conservatives. Black Protestants match or exceed white evangelicals in theological conservatism and religious activity but they vote as Democratic as white evangelicals vote Republican. The dividing differences between white evangelicals and black Protestants are not doctrine or piety. They are social and political. "

https://www.asianamericanchristiancollaborative.com/article/what-difference-will-asian-american-christians-make

We are in very interesting times. The US is finally having the Western Crisis of Religion, that swamped Europe in the late 1800s and early 1900s. At the same time; we have these new evangelicals who stand outside of the Western-European-American debates. And they're growing. How this will change the politics in this country, I don't know. The White Evangelical-Southern Baptist people aren't realizing it. So doesn't the secular left ( who are quite frankly mostly white as well ).

It's the same trend happening in the Catholic Church. The Next Pope might be from India, Africa, the Philippines, going outside of the Euro-American bubble. That's going to be game changing.

The President of the National Association of Evangelicals is Walter Kim; a second generation Asian American. https://www.walterkim.org
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jojoju1998
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2023, 10:44:07 AM »

"Nothing in history has done more to turn people away from Christianity than organized religion. The religious elite has got this idea that somehow their sins aren’t as bad as everyone else’s" - Jerry Falwell Jr to Vanity Fair

His father is the root cause of the downfall of America. When such con-men perpetuated politicians with empty promises the public work up and saw the light, at least the bright ones. This was the end of of Christianity grudge hold on American society, when people saw it was nothing more than a man-made organization with a history of homophobia, misogyny, and racism against the minorities of the country.  Why else would a person be against same sex marriage, the right to choice, and accepting vaccines if there wasn't some guy dressed in suits telling on Sunday morning the secular elite was out to get you and your baby.

Christian nationalism right now is a threat to the democracy and well being of every American. Qanon has spouted dangerous views that will continue to be the popular majority in the Republican Party. Those who say it is just 2008 New Atheist talking points are just deluding themselves with the secular community creating a straw man or they are religious and don't want tone held accountable for all the atrocious of the faith they hold dearly in the past. When it's all said and done, eventual more people are going to realize religion is the greatest trouble facing the progress of mankind, and will continue until the Bible and Koran go the way of Zeus.

https://www.lsu.edu/research/news/2020/1109-unchurched.php

". Now, new research shows Christian nationalist support of Trump isn’t tied to religious institutions or attending church on a regular basis. Instead, it’s tied to not attending church."

"First, how Christian nationalism can be seen as an aspect of a larger populist ethos of victimization, embattlement, and resentment. Trump received significant support from alienated Americans who appear to be disengaged from religious congregations and other social institutions. Second, how Christian nationalist rhetoric can indicate nostalgia or be used as a veil for increasingly unpopular opinions, such as racial bias or anti-LGBTQ views. Referencing previous research, the authors write that “many Americans now feel that they are victimized for expressing traditional values concerning marriage, sexuality, and gender identity.”
 
Detachment from religious communities can also intensify conservative attitudes."

"  In some ways, Trump is actually the perfect candidate for people who aren’t very religiously observant yet have Christian nationalist sentiments. He may have attracted unchurched Christian nationalist voters because he uses pro-Christian language but is himself not personally religiously observant.”"
 
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