French presidential election, 2022

[warandwar]

I guess you dislike Mélenchon then, because he seemed to have the best chance of doing well of the leftwing candidates. Did you support Macron in the second round (without the hindsight)?

No I couldn't vote (still can't). From the little I knew I was supporting Macron. I believe my father was quite enthusiastic for Juppé, admiring him as mayor of Bordeaux; he started supporting Macron early on though.

Yeah, there are a lot of things I don't like about him, even if there are quite a few people in LFI I have a more positive opinion of. I would be more prepared to support him this time round though, because the situation seems more desperate and he seems to compare (much) less badly relative to other figure than he did 5 years ago.

Is it a citizenship issue why you can't vote? I've no idea what the French rules wrt voting abroad are, but I don't think there is a time limit like other countries have

This seems to be most of the French Left's attitude - don't like Melanchon, but he's better than he used to be.
Why couldn't other figures step up to the plate?

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Houria Bouteldja specifically said he was better than he used to be, that she did not expect him to speak out so strongly against Macron's islamophobia. The NPA is currently splitting bc many want to endorse him. Not just referring to pb's post.

[warandwar]

Perfect encapsulation of Finklekraut Thought

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Want to meet the people choosing between Taubira and Le Pen.

[warandwar]

Melenchon will finish so close to taking Le Pen out of the runoff but won’t do it.

If only some people didn’t waste their vote going for people with no chances like Hidalgo, Jadot or even the Communist Party candidate (who performed better than Hidalgo), Le Pen’s political career would’ve been done.

Mélenchon is solely to blame. He is the one that ruled out a primary because, in his own words, the first round is the primary.

And the trio of selfless egoless figures of Hildalgo, Jadot, and Roussel obviously never would have acted like that had they been in his shoes.
Melanchon's belief that he alone could muster support beyond the miniscule group of people who'd vote in such a primary has been proven to be completely accurate. Could it just be that Fabian Roussel, etc truly does have bad politics and should be marginalized?

[warandwar]

Melenchon will finish so close to taking Le Pen out of the runoff but won’t do it.

If only some people didn’t waste their vote going for people with no chances like Hidalgo, Jadot or even the Communist Party candidate (who performed better than Hidalgo), Le Pen’s political career would’ve been done.

Mélenchon is solely to blame. He is the one that ruled out a primary because, in his own words, the first round is the primary.

And the trio of selfless egoless figures of Hildalgo, Jadot, and Roussel obviously never would have acted like that had they been in his shoes.
Melanchon's belief that he alone could muster support beyond the miniscule group of people who'd vote in such a primary has been proven to be completely accurate. Could it just be that Fabian Roussel, etc truly does have bad politics and should be marginalized?

If anything, these results show Melenchon was completely right in ditching the center-left trash lol. His appeal comes from being anti-system. He’s stealing a lot of Le Pen areas because of that and showing the left HOW you fight the populist right.

The likes of Jadot/Hidalgo cannot even get to 5%, they have no leverage for demands.

Ok chaps, for the sake of argument let's take Hidalgo and Jadot out of the equation (even though Jadot by virtue of his non-candidacy in 2017 probably is pretty selfless yes. All Mélenchon had to do was bring Roussel and the PCF on board...that didn't happen because Mélenchon refuses to even consider any challenge to his own hegemony, and is outright ditching most Left symbology anyway because what he wants is the Jean-Luc Mélenchon show, not any genuine Left government.

I can't imagine a more ideologically bankrupt party than the PCF. Why should i have any sympathy for them? They deserved any unkind treatment they got from Melanchon.

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Who are these French politicians without egos that everyone seems to be thinking about?

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So the PCF finally avenges getting f’d over by Mitterrand.

In 1981 and 2022, their actions result in a Vichy sympathizer going into the second round, plus ca change...