Election Test

[Rockefeller GOP]

The hardcore liberal hero with the pro-choice Governor as his VP. Lincoln/Reagan.

LOL.

Anyway, give me the two pro-business Republicans!

[Rockefeller GOP]

The hardcore liberal hero with the pro-choice Governor as his VP. Lincoln/Reagan.

Lincoln was clearly not a liberal by today's standards.  He was by the standards of his time, but that was a century and a half ago.  I will remind you of the Lincoln quote in Rockefeller GOP's sig:

"That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence built."

That doesn't sound like a modern day liberal/Democrat to me.  And as for Reagan, he may have legalized abortion as governor of California, but he seemed to be pro-life for most of his political career.

I'd 1) argue you can't use the terms liberal and conservative with any real meaning to describe 1850s and 1860s politics and 2) take issue with classifying Lincoln as a liberal during ANY time frame.  To the extent that any issues WERE the same (there were very few), he was clearly conservative on issues of business interests and pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.  If you're adamant about considering the abolition of slavery a strictly liberal thing (I find that ridiculous, but whatever), then he's at best a moderate on that issue.

[Rockefeller GOP]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

[Rockefeller GOP]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

[Rockefeller GOP]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

That's a Lincoln quote, sorry.

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Ok? Not really sure what you're getting at? Of course I don't think Lincoln is some anti-capitalist (that's pretty much why I like him).

He's a communist.

I think we get the gist of it by now, you read the wikipedia article on communism and you don't like it. You can probably give it a rest by now.

You certainly implied that Lincoln was the obvious choice for a communist ... And that's not overly obvious at all.