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Author Topic: Who ran a worse campaign Hillary Clinton Or Michael Dukasis  (Read 6157 times)
IceSpear
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« on: July 18, 2018, 02:24:18 PM »

Dukakis made about three errors (albeit big ones) while Clinton did virtually everything wrong.

Well, her entire strategy and direction proved wrong, sure. But that's with hindsight. With the information available at the time, we were talking about her winning South Carolina in the middle of the summer or her beating Trump by 15 points in early October.

It's very easy to look at where she lost and to say the strategy didn't work, but during the race, there wasn't any real evidence that Michigan and Wisconsin were close to toppling until it was way too late. Who knew Maine and Minnesota would end up so close? This wasn't on anyone's radar. The other states that were close are always close, and it was easy enough to write off Iowa/Ohio when it seemed she was the favourite in North Carolina and could probably count on Florida as being more solid than it was in '08/'12.

It wasn't clear that her strategy was off as the race was playing out. And we can talk strategy all we want, but her loss had just as much to do with unfounded animus against her than any actual direction she was taking the campaign.

Literally zero people were ever talking about this.

Let's not do revisionist history here. I was still arguing with hacks that she couldn't win Texas and Utah as late as October, and was called a concern trolling Eeyore for it. lol

Here's just one example, among many. This was in October, less than a month before the election.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=247949.0

Arizona, Georgia, Missouri, Alaska, Indiana, and even Texas are all potentially in play now.

With these numbers, Hillary wins all the battleground states and might force the battle into Missouri, Indiana, and South Carolina. Montana, Alaska, and maybe Texas will be reasonable. The rest will still be a Trump landslide.

And here was my take on it:

BEAUTIFUL POLL!

However, I wouldn't count my chickens yet. Let's not forget there's still a month left and the American public has the attention span of a goldfish. They forgot the "fatal" Khan stuff in like a week. I'm crossing my fingers for more tapes so this won't be an issue.

Unfortunately they did forget and unfortunately there was another event, but not the one I'd hoped for.
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IceSpear
Atlas Superstar
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Posts: 31,840
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -6.43

« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 03:17:28 PM »

Oh, here's another good one:

She wasn't going to win Alaska before the email stuff, and she's certainly not winning it now. Same goes for Texas. Please stop this idiocy. Some of you guys are starting to sound as delusional as Dean Chambers and the Reddit Berniebros.

Do you honestly believe that Trump has a better shot in PA than Clinton does in Alaska?

Yes, as does every objective political analyst. I doubt Trump will win PA, but whatever his chances are, they're certainly better than Hillary's chances of winning AK.

Lol. Even my "pessimistic take" was way too optimistic.

And an unironic thread about how North Carolina was now in Hillary's firewall, with many users concurring:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=250395.0
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