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IceSpear
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« on: April 02, 2016, 10:11:13 PM »

Why do Clinton supporters criticize caucuses as anti-democratic but not superdelegates seems like more a sore loser thing than a worry for democracy
Because the super-delegates aren't going to overturn the majority of pledged delegates.

I mean, if caucus shenanigans like these were enough to alter the outcome, I'm sure they'd have no problem doing so. Luckily it won't be that close.

Good to see jfern doesn't care about subverting the will of the voters. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
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IceSpear
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E: -6.19, S: -6.43

« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 10:24:00 PM »

Why do Clinton supporters criticize caucuses as anti-democratic but not superdelegates seems like more a sore loser thing than a worry for democracy
Because the super-delegates aren't going to overturn the majority of pledged delegates.

I mean, if caucus shenanigans like these were enough to alter the outcome, I'm sure they'd have no problem doing so. Luckily it won't be that close.

Good to see jfern doesn't care about subverting the will of the voters. Somehow, I'm not surprised.

The will of the voters who didn't bother to show up?

They showed up to vote on election day. Nobody cares about the technicalities of some archaic and outdated caucus procedure. It's about as democratic as faithless electors and superdelegates.
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IceSpear
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Posts: 31,840
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E: -6.19, S: -6.43

« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2016, 10:32:38 PM »

Why do Clinton supporters criticize caucuses as anti-democratic but not superdelegates seems like more a sore loser thing than a worry for democracy
Because the super-delegates aren't going to overturn the majority of pledged delegates.

I mean, if caucus shenanigans like these were enough to alter the outcome, I'm sure they'd have no problem doing so. Luckily it won't be that close.

Good to see jfern doesn't care about subverting the will of the voters. Somehow, I'm not surprised.

The will of the voters who didn't bother to show up?

They showed up to vote on election day. Nobody cares about the technicalities of some archaic and outdated caucus procedure. It's about as democratic as faithless electors and superdelegates.

Were people this outraged when the same thing happened 8 years ago in Nevada?

I'd imagine so, yes. I didn't pay close enough attention back then to know for sure. At the end of the day it wasn't determinative, just like this won't be, but I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if it was.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2016, 10:44:54 PM »

They need to get rid of caucuses and all this nonsense, but I do think it's funny that when Cruz does this it's great organization and strategy but when others do it (Clinton and Sanders) it's the destruction of democracy.

The GOP has already given up all pretense of caring about democracy.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 02:18:23 AM »

If it were Hillary taking away delegates that Bernie rightfully won, the Sandernistas would be shrieking right now...

And the Hacks for Hillary brigade would be calling Caucuses as the only truly democratic way to select a Presidential nominee.

That's funny, I remember most Hillary people here wanting to abolish caucuses even when her caucus record was 2-0 and primary record was 0-1...
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