I'm still for Obama, not sure Hillary would have accomplished that much more to be honest. And her policies in the Middle East may have been worse, although she had a more realistic approach towards Russia.
On the other hand, Joe Biden would also have been decent due to his long experience. Out of all possible candidates, I think Al Gore should have tried again and pick Obama as his running mate.
Out of the two main contenders, Clinton. A world where Clinton wins in 2008 and Obama runs in 2016 after two full terms in the Senate or one full term in the Senate and a term as Governor would be a much better world.
Clinton, if she were to have the same super majorities that Obama had in 09 and 10, would've likely had a lot more to show for them as she wouldn't have been naive in dealing with her opposition the way Obama was, Granted, her foreign policy would've been too hawkish for my taste, but on balance a Clinton Presidency from 2009-17 would be better than OTL.
The runner up, abet with the benefit of hindsight, would be Biden.
My hot take is Obama never becomes president in a world Clinton wins unless he is her VP . Being in the senate during a Clinton administration would absolutely destroy a lot of his “change” appeal as he’d have to vote for her entire agenda and defend it constantly too .
I agree, Obama would have lost his appeal as outsider had he stayed in the senate. However, I think there's a possibility he runs for governor of Illinois in 2010 instead. It's well known that he didn't like the senate.
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