Was the universe created in 6 24-hour periods?

[Redefeatbush04]

Yes, the Bible says so and that's good enough for me.

why would a day be the same to God? And why would a period of 24 hours have any relevance to God who does not exist on the Earth, especially before the Earth even existed?

You know BRTD, when I die and go to heaven, i'll walk up to God and ask him these questions for you.

HaHa that was funny. BTW yes it was 24 hour days.  The Bible said that a day in heave seem like 1,000 years, because there is no darkness in heaven.

I'm not really entering into this argument, but was interested as a bystander what the third sentence in your post has to do with the second sentence.

In Heaven there is no darkness because God is like the "sun" in heaven.  If there was no darkness to tell days by then it woiuld seem like 1,000 years

3 questions:

1. How do you know that your religion is the correct religion?
2. What created God? If he always existed, how do you know that life has not always existed?
3. Are you familliar with the passage about the dude stopping the sun in the sky? If so, do you believe it actually happenned?

[Redefeatbush04]

Yes, the Bible says so and that's good enough for me.

why would a day be the same to God? And why would a period of 24 hours have any relevance to God who does not exist on the Earth, especially before the Earth even existed?

You know BRTD, when I die and go to heaven, i'll walk up to God and ask him these questions for you.

HaHa that was funny. BTW yes it was 24 hour days.  The Bible said that a day in heave seem like 1,000 years, because there is no darkness in heaven.

I'm not really entering into this argument, but was interested as a bystander what the third sentence in your post has to do with the second sentence.

In Heaven there is no darkness because God is like the "sun" in heaven.  If there was no darkness to tell days by then it woiuld seem like 1,000 years

3 questions:

1. How do you know that your religion is the correct religion?
2. What created God? If he always existed, how do you know that life has not always existed?
3. Are you familliar with the passage about the dude stopping the sun in the sky? If so, do you believe it actually happenned?

1. Yes I know that my religion is correct. I have Faith that it is.
2.God has always been there as far as I know.  But when I get to heaven I'll as God this question.. then I will tell you.
3. No not familliar with that story. But if it was in the Bible then it really happen.

1. All religions have faith that theirs is correct. What I want to know is....how do you know that your faith is right?
2. Your closing your mind off. God cannot obviously create himself. He had to get their somehow. And if God is omnipotent why did he create us. Obviously he would know what would happen so whats the point. The only thing God would know know is what would happen if he destroyed himself.
3. It can't be true. If the sun stopped in the sky the earth stopped on its axis. man could not survive.

The way I see it Christians believe what they believe because atheists can’t explain what created the universe. Atheists believe what they believe because Christians can’t explain what created God. Throughout history people have tried to rationalize that which they do not understand by concocting elaborate explanations. As technology develops science can answer these questions. For example – people did not understand weather, so they rationalized by explaining that there was a God (Zeus?) that controlled the weather. It has since been discovered that weather is caused, among other factors, by uneven heating of the earth by the sun. This is how religion has developed, and what religion is for. I believe that science can someday provide answers to all of life’s questions with one possible exception: “how can matter be created from nothing.” There is a scientific law which states that “matter cannot be created nor destroyed” and so this is an impossible question to answer, unless of course some higher power is involved. This is why I am not an atheist. If there was a higher power involved however how did it get created – another impossible question – and this is why I am not a Christian.
Instead I choose to remain agnostic which is basically, for lack of a better term, religiously neutral. I feel that if one closes their mind off to new ideas and suggestions progress cannot be made; without progress, logically, we will continue to blindly guess why things are the way they are. Most people want their life to have meaning and shudder at the thought of them simply rotting after they die. Believing in an afterlife comforts them. Even if there isn’t an afterlife I am still comforted by the fact that in my death I allow life. Those very microbes that are causing me to rot are food for other creatures. Those creatures are food for yet other creatures and so on. My basic view is that the world after death will seem like the world before birth. This is why we must cherish life while we have it. I was not always an agnostic. I was raised a catholic, went to Sunday school every week, and told that Jesus was the son of God. I still go to church every Sunday. Not out of choice, but instead because it is expected of me. Over time I began to think about my religion, and question it, rather than just accept it as true. I am fortunate enough to live in a society where there is freedom of religion. I respect the beliefs of other people and would not want to take those beliefs away from them. Even if their hopes are false their happiness is real, and it would be cruel to take away those hopes. I expect the same out of them. Although many people seem to have a problem with “under god” in the pledge of allegiance, I don’t. I feel that if people want to say it they can say it, and if people don’t want to say it they don’t have to. Our country guarantees freedom of religious expression, and we have done a pretty good job of upholding that guarantee. Our constitution also says that congress cannot make laws respecting an establishment of religion. We have done a pretty good job of upholding that guarantee as well. The only thing I do have a problem with is our currency. I do not like the expression “in God we trust” as it is not entirely accurate of our nation’s religious beliefs. A more accurate expression would be “in God some trust”. As you know, I go to a religious school, but I do not feel uncomfortable expressing my beliefs (although I tend to stay away from religious debate). I still participate in all of the catholic services, the morning prayer, ect.

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

Adam was a Jew. We got different races at the tower of Babylon. They was trying to build a tower to heaven. So God changed there languageand moved them all around the world.

Ok first of all. Where is heaven and how can you reach it by a tower. Once you reach our upper atmospheres you could not survive so why would god even worry.

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

Adam was black, or at least darker in color.  Obviously, as we moved to different areas away from Africa and the Middle East, our skin got naturaly lighter, while those at the equatorial areas stayed dark.  Simple question.

That implies that evolution occurs..... something that Josh says can't

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

Adam was a Jew. We got different races at the tower of Babylon. They was trying to build a tower to heaven. So God changed there languageand moved them all around the world.

Ok first of all. Where is heaven and how can you reach it by a tower. Once you reach our upper atmospheres you could not survive so why would god even worry.

To make a point. If you have not read the Bible you should not say it is wrong.,

I have one at my desk right now. I go to a catholic school + to church each sunday (apparently you haven't read that really long post before the axis one). If you have not read Darwin's book, you should not say it is wrong

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

Adam was black, or at least darker in color.  Obviously, as we moved to different areas away from Africa and the Middle East, our skin got naturaly lighter, while those at the equatorial areas stayed dark.  Simple question.

That implies that evolution occurs..... something that Josh says can't

No he is right but Adam was like Jews today. The Garden of Eden was in today Iraq. That is not evolution.  If you in a place like Africa, obviously your sink will be very dark.

So if a person is black and moves to canada their children will be white?

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

Adam was black, or at least darker in color.  Obviously, as we moved to different areas away from Africa and the Middle East, our skin got naturaly lighter, while those at the equatorial areas stayed dark.  Simple question.

That implies that evolution occurs..... something that Josh says can't

No he is right but Adam was like Jews today. The Garden of Eden was in today Iraq. That is not evolution.  If you in a place like Africa, obviously your sink will be very dark.

So if a person is black and moves to canada their children will be white?

No it is already in ther DNA and jeans.  But after a while the become light skin black people.

How come the 4th generation people in Detroit are darker in color than the 8th generation people of China

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

Adam was black, or at least darker in color.  Obviously, as we moved to different areas away from Africa and the Middle East, our skin got naturaly lighter, while those at the equatorial areas stayed dark.  Simple question.

That implies that evolution occurs..... something that Josh says can't

No he is right but Adam was like Jews today. The Garden of Eden was in today Iraq. That is not evolution.  If you in a place like Africa, obviously your sink will be very dark.

So if a person is black and moves to canada their children will be white?

No it is already in ther DNA and jeans.  But after a while the become light skin black people.

How come the 4th generation people in Detroit are darker in color than the 8th generation people of China

I don't know.. I mean it depends on the weather what they eat ect...  My dad is really dark because he works outside.

That is different. That is a sun tan. Sun tans cannot be passed on to other generations because it does not involve altering the genes.

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

No the is not wrong at all. There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong.

Ok a simple question......
Was Adam Black or White. How did we end up with different races?

Adam was black, or at least darker in color.  Obviously, as we moved to different areas away from Africa and the Middle East, our skin got naturaly lighter, while those at the equatorial areas stayed dark.  Simple question.

That implies that evolution occurs..... something that Josh says can't

No he is right but Adam was like Jews today. The Garden of Eden was in today Iraq. That is not evolution.  If you in a place like Africa, obviously your sink will be very dark.

So if a person is black and moves to canada their children will be white?

No it is already in ther DNA and jeans.  But after a while the become light skin black people.

How come the 4th generation people in Detroit are darker in color than the 8th generation people of China

I don't know.. I mean it depends on the weather what they eat ect...  My dad is really dark because he works outside.

That is different. That is a sun tan. Sun tans cannot be passed on to other generations because it does not involve altering the genes.

Yea I know... How come the French people whiter then Americans?

We are a new country and people from all around the world make up our population. Ever heard the term melting pot.

[Redefeatbush04]

3 questions:

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No one created God.  He has always existed.

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That's a two-part question Richius

[Redefeatbush04]

Ok first of all. Where is heaven and how can you reach it by a tower. Once you reach our upper atmospheres you could not survive so why would god even worry.

God wasn't worried, He was angered at the arrogance of men to think they do not need God and that their power exceeds God's power.

God sounds like he needs some prozac. If I made a little race of people and they thought that they could build a tower to prove that they are better than me I would be laughing at how stupid they are to think they can reach me. God knows that they are not better than him....is he really that egotistic that he needs to punish them for a deed which could have caused no harm. 

[Redefeatbush04]

Why the hell could man not survive if earth stopped on its axis?

Anyway, it doesn't say that, if you're quoting it correctly.

well for starters. the earths magnetic field is supposedly caused by the earth rotating and the destruction of which would pose SIGNIFICANT biohazard. Also areas would go into deep deep deep freezes from no sunlight and other areas would get superheated. PLus the Earth is rotating at an enormous speed. If it suddenly stopped rotating trees people, anything not anchored strongly would be flown off because of the 1000+ MPH breeze of the atmosphere (which is still rotating). And yes Joshua did halt the sun according to the bible. The Bible can be wrong.

Redefea, you overstate the effects of stopping the Earth for a brief period. I did some simulation work years ago for a piece of fiction dealing with the Earth brought to a stop, so that one point would always face the Sun. Though the simulation was by no means deatiled it did take into account the most basic mechanics and thermodynamics of the atmosphere and oceans.

The Earth is spinning with a speed of about 1000 mph (1600 km/h) at the equator, but it's less than twice as much as a passenger jet cruising at 550 mph (900 km/h). A typical jet can slow to a halt on the runway from cruising speed in less than 30 minutes with no effect on the passengers. If the Earth was brought to a halt in an hour, the acceleration felt on the Earth's surface would be about the same as on a typical jet landing on a runway. The real mechanical problem is where the Earth's rotational energy would be stored until the Earth is set to spinning again.

The Earth's atmosphere and even more so it's oceans are a great buffer against sudden temperature changes. If the Earth stopped spinning and kept one face to the Sun, it would take about four days before the temperatures reached the extremes over the middle of the continents. The coldest points would then be about -140 F (-100 C) on the dark side, and the hottest spots would be about +140 F (+60 C) under the sun. The oceans would keep the mild for months before reaching extremes.

However, the Joshua story speaks of the Sun standing still for one day only. If it took an hour to stop and then to start up again nothing would fly off the Earth. Israel would see inland temperatures climb perhaps an extra 18 F (10 C) during that day before cooling again. On the dark side, most areas would be in or near the Pacific Ocean and resistant to temperature change, though Western North America in the Rockies might drop in temperature about 30 F (17 C) before recovering with the next day.

You are right about the temparatures. It would take time. You are wrong about the wind. Planes stop because of air resistance. This is common sense. Note that in my post I say that if it stopped suddenly their would be 1000 MPH winds (because the earth rotates at that speed). If it stopped in 1/2 hour it would not be as extreme (perhaps 200 MPH) which while not devastating, would still cause a catastrophic loss of life. Picture the strongest hurricane we have ever had, striking everywhere on earth at the same time, and having only primitive shelter. The most significant threat may not even be the wind. It may be the destruction of the magnetic field. I also failed to mention the geological effects. There would be many many earthquakes as the tectonic plates colide. Volcanic activity would significantly increase to the point where ashes may cover the sun for years to come. Oh yeah. And they might have needed a Tsunami relief fund (and that isn't from the earthquakes.)

[Redefeatbush04]

Ok first of all. Where is heaven and how can you reach it by a tower. Once you reach our upper atmospheres you could not survive so why would god even worry.

God wasn't worried, He was angered at the arrogance of men to think they do not need God and that their power exceeds God's power.

God sounds like he needs some prozac. If I made a little race of people and they thought that they could build a tower to prove that they are better than me I would be laughing at how stupid they are to think they can reach me. God knows that they are not better than him....is he really that egotistic that he needs to punish them for a deed which could have caused no harm. 

This is one of the few Old Testament passages that makes sense.

Those evil people built their ziggurat (a more descriptive word than 'tower', or, ugh, 'ladder') so that they could enter Heaven without facing God first (through death and judgement). Not to mention, those people, after building their sky-high ziggurat of mud and slime, would then idiotically proclaim to themselves, "Look at all of what we've done! We don't need no stinkin' god no more." At lot like secular humanists today in that regard.

God made Himself explicitly clear when He said that only His covenant people, and the other nations who respected them, could enter heaven.

So what! Let them think that they don't need God. God is all-powerfull....it shouldn't bother him/her/it.

[Redefeatbush04]

Today in religion class we had a word search for extra credit. We were given (I dunno 4 minutes) to find as many of the 12 words as we could find. I easily found the first 11, but when the time ran out, I still had not found the last word. That word was faith. It kind of made me think about my beliefs. Are they wrong? Is it even possible for someone who admits they don't know to be wrong? Perhaps their is a God but regardless it is something that neither me nor you nor anyone can comprehend, prove, or explain. Arguing over the actions of God is quite stupid because those who don't think he did it are like: "why do you think that". And those who argue that he did those actions cannot prove that he did them and their only reasoning is this strange little thing called faith. Faith is defined as "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence". So what they are saying is they belive what they believe, they don't have a reason for it, they just do. I have always been a skeptic of blind faith and random guesses. I could say that the earth was created by the cows, until we became intelligent and then killed off all the smart cows leaving only the dumb ones to reproduce and populate the earth.  No one can prove me wrong. But I have faith that it is true. Something is telling me that an answer is out there ......somewhere.....just waiting..... .we mustn't close our mind off to new ideas. It is ok to have faith but it doesn't mean we have to ignore the possibility that our faith is wrong.