Opinion of Scoop Jackson

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A horrible, horrible, horrible, murderous piece of human garbage.

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A murderer, a thug and a terrorist. A disgusting worthless piece of human trash. I would've laughed my ass off when that disgusting piece of sh!t died. One of the most biggest disgraces to the party ever.

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His foreign policy earns him a negative rating.

He had a great foreign policy:

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His foreign policy = 50,000 dead Americans and a couple million dead Vietnamese. No thanks.

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One of the most biggest disgraces to the party ever.

I'd save that for the likes of Bilbo, myself.

Don't know about him but I'd vote for J. William Fulbright over Scoop Jackson a million times.

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Don't know about him but I'd vote for J. William Fulbright over Scoop Jackson a million times.

Fulbright was openly racist and a longtime segregationist.

Well yes. But in the long run Jackson's policies would've caused a lot more death and suffering. (Vietnam)

He was also almost certainly an anti-semite.

Thinking it's not a good idea to give Israel a blank check to do whatever they want and support the unconditionally != anti-Semitism

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Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

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Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

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Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

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Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

If LBJ had not attempted to balance guns and butter, and had gone into the war full scale, fewer American lives would have been lost.

But why go to war? You haven't answered that. The Vietnamese people clearly wanted Minh.

Aside from the fact that they attacked us first, the Communists were never elected in South Vietnam.

And the government of South Vietnam was as "elected" as Saddam Hussein. Your point?

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Analogy:

The American Revolution finally forces the British to withdraw. However the Spanish decide they don't like George Washington and don't want to deal with him despite the fact he'd obviously win any election anywhere. So they establish a puppet government in the south and rig a ridiculous "election", the demonize George Washington's government in the north when it attacks the invalid puppet state.

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That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

How was the government of South Vietnam more legitimate than the communists?

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

So you believe there were WMDs in Iraq too?

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Hopefully the Obama Administration will embrace Jackson's ideology fully, rather than the horrible, twisted way the Bush Administration did.

LOL. Just LOL.

2. The South Vietnamese population wanted Communism.

If by 'South Vietnamese population' you mean 'the backward peasants' then yes. The people screaming in and fleeing Saigon after we abandoned it will tell you otherwise. In any case, LOL @ this thread.

Well, the backwards peasants were the majority. I don't think there's any doubt the Communists would have won a fair and free election.

Indeed. Even something the US admitted, hence why it had to rig elections for that piece of sh!t Diem.

Diem didn't deserve one dead American. Period. His regime was not worth a single one, nor a single cent of US taxpayer money.

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Wow, Positive has a majority? And people call this forum left wing biased.

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Hitler was a staunch environmentalist too. So what?

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It's quite odd that me and Libertas agree so strongly here. Except I am pro-choice, so I have that against Jackson as well.