"The US was wrong to invade Iraq, therefore it's OK for Russia to invade Ukraine."

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes, although this is a pretty common talking point of the "anti-war" left.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Lots of r-tards on the Omegle politics tag, including one guy I met claiming to be from Russia, use this exact argument. The Ruskie's basically just supporting the war for "my country wrong or right" reasons, and basically said that no American can criticize it because we uniformly supported the Iraq War. I told him this was untrue and I never supported the Iraq War because I don't let the government's position dictate my thinking. The whole concept just baffled him.

You can rewrite history but the fact is that in US anyone who opposed that war was treated like a national enemy, from Barbara Lee only for presenting dissent to Michael Moore being booed at the Oscars for calling out Bush. Media convinced Americans to hate on the French and change French fries name just for not getting into their bullsh**t. The national consensus in early 00s was basically the population being convinced through their ignorance they needed to bomb ANY Arab country because 9/11 was some random Arabs involved, so why not put it into Iraq?

At least more Russians KNOW what the hell they’re doing it in Ukraine and have a clear goal even if you think it’s sh**tty: Prevent Ukraine from becoming a western country alligned to them when it’s in their borders. Most Americans didn’t even know what the hell Iraq was for other than working as this racist emotional relief that something was being done to get justice, even if Iraq government had nothing to do with 9/11 (and even the involved were Saudis at their majority).

And the Bush government KNEW it was just a way to make some money. They openly tried to get other countries on board with the argument they could participate on reconstruction efforts, like war is just a business. Everyone with a brain knew it but US population was still mostly brainwashed by the national media to be convinced the war was necessary. How is that so different from what happens in Russia?

The neoconservative ideology is treated as a flesh and blood thing with the US national identity because media has a lot of sway over how people see things and think, which limits critical thinking.

The point is not to say Russia is right to invade Ukraine just because “The US also did it to non-whiter countries”, but to point the moral hypocrisy of US on having NO higher standard to get involved in this to point fingers when they have similar internal propaganda machine that puts society in favor of foreign wars and interventions.

It’s like, “It’s great when we adopt neoconservatism, but horrible when Russia or anyone we dislike does it”.

I voted against George W. Bush and opposed the Iraq War from the start. None of that applies to me.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Of course not. Both invasions were very wrong and we must condem both.

But I observed a reaction to the Russian invasion in the Western World that look like that they believe that the first time in the history of the mankind a country invaded another one took place on February 24th 2022.

Russian tennis players were forbidden to play in Wimbledon even if they don't have any relation to Putin. This tournment exists since the 19th century. At that time, the British Empire were fighting colonial wars in Africa and Asia. But there was no ban on British players.

This is kind of like that meme mocking the protestor of the Beijing Olympics with the sign saying "Would we let Nazi Germany host the Olympics?" It's amusing and funny sure and kind of defeats their point, but a historical wrong doesn't excuse that same sort of mistake being made again.

Also this kind of reminds me of when some of the Cuomo apologist morons kept raving about Republicans with sex scandals who didn't resign in the past and insisted it was unfair. Well what should happen then? If Cuomo didn't resign citing that, then the next time a Republican had a sex scandal then they would refuse to resign citing Cuomo, (George Santos probably would be now too even if that's different.) Then if another Democrat had a sex scandal they could refuse to resign citing Republican who cited Cuomo, etc. Trying to take that as some sort of precedent effectively creates one where no one is ever held accountable. It's not the right way to look at things.

It's also kind of telling that the types who bring up this line of "argument" almost always AREN'T condemning both and are usually just trying to deflect from any attacks on Russia at all for it even with a "I'm not saying I support Russia but..." disclaimer beforehand.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Of course not. Both invasions were very wrong and we must condem both.

But I observed a reaction to the Russian invasion in the Western World that look like that they believe that the first time in the history of the mankind a country invaded another one took place on February 24th 2022.

Russian tennis players were forbidden to play in Wimbledon even if they don't have any relation to Putin. This tournment exists since the 19th century. At that time, the British Empire were fighting colonial wars in Africa and Asia. But there was no ban on British players.

Not to mention all the commotion to ban Russian players from the next Olympics zzzzzz

Westerners are so transparently entitled because they’re used to the world revolving around them. They are just doing lip-service with this Iraq was just as bad as Ukraine talk because Iraq is over so they can pretend there was the same commotion back then.

Just wait some time after this passes and they will go back to talking about invading some country in the Middle East or some other place outside White Europe with the same normalcy they’ve always done.

Again what is your point? I opposed the Iraq War. I voted against George W. Bush. I'm not being a hypocrite.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Of course not. Both invasions were very wrong and we must condem both.

But I observed a reaction to the Russian invasion in the Western World that look like that they believe that the first time in the history of the mankind a country invaded another one took place on February 24th 2022.

Russian tennis players were forbidden to play in Wimbledon even if they don't have any relation to Putin. This tournment exists since the 19th century. At that time, the British Empire were fighting colonial wars in Africa and Asia. But there was no ban on British players.

Not to mention all the commotion to ban Russian players from the next Olympics zzzzzz

Westerners are so transparently entitled because they’re used to the world revolving around them. They are just doing lip-service with this Iraq was just as bad as Ukraine talk because Iraq is over so they can pretend there was the same commotion back then.

Just wait some time after this passes and they will go back to talking about invading some country in the Middle East or some other place outside White Europe with the same normalcy they’ve always done.

Again what is your point? I opposed the Iraq War. I voted against George W. Bush. I'm not being a hypocrite.

It doesn’t really matter who you voted for, unless it was Barbara Lee. The Iraq War was a consensus from Republicans and Democrats.

Paul Wellstone and Mark Dayton both voted no: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1072/vote_107_2_00237.htm

So did the majority of House Democrats, including Martin Olav Sabo from my district (The Rep from the one I lived in the time Gil Gutknecht did, but he was a Republican, and was later ousted by now Governor Tim Walz on an anti-war campaign that I worked for): https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml

And it was not a "consensus". Over 60% of House Democrats voted against it and while a majority of Senate ones did, still over 40% of the caucus did, hardly a "consensus". Barbara Lee was not the only Democrat who opposed it, that's simply a flat out lie.