Opinion of people who cite Old Testament Mosaic Law verses as "proof" Christians are hypocrites (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 12, 2024, 11:17:42 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Discussion
  Religion & Philosophy (Moderator: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.)
  Opinion of people who cite Old Testament Mosaic Law verses as "proof" Christians are hypocrites (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: Opinion of people who cite Old Testament Mosaic Law verses as "proof" Christians are hypocrites
#1
Freedom Fighters
 
#2
Horrible People
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 23

Author Topic: Opinion of people who cite Old Testament Mosaic Law verses as "proof" Christians are hypocrites  (Read 1226 times)
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,532
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« on: January 05, 2022, 10:32:34 AM »

One of those "proof someone isn't worth paying attention to" things since anyone who does so clearly has f[inks] all understanding of Christian theology. Not to mention it's laughably lazy. But it's still so stupid, here's basically an analogy to what such people are doing.

Person A: Anyone who produces or drinks alcohol in the United States is breaking the law. Alcohol is banned by the US Constitution.

Person B: That is currently not the case.

Person A: Um yes it is. *Cites 18th Amendment.* Haha checkmate!

Person B: And that was specifically repealed by the 21st Amendment and no longer has any binding legality. *Cites 21st Amendment*

Person A: Who cares? The Constitution still has a part clearly stating alcohol is banned. You're just coming up with excuses because you don't want to admit you're breaking the law.
Logged
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,532
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2022, 03:39:11 PM »

Well, there are also many Christians who do constantly cite Old Testament law, and quote Jesus in ways they take as evidence.

Also the ethical problem for why God would supposedly create such ridiculous laws to begin with.
They're only ridiculous when looked at in a modern context. For example: the ban on eating on pork and shellfish is because at the time those were quite unsanitary and a common thread of food-borne illnesses because they couldn't be cooked properly unlike today. Planting more than one type of seed in fields is something that farmers don't do even today, it results in cross pollination and worse harvests in general. Wearing clothing made out of one type of fabric seems trivial today...but that's because we have sewing machines. At the time such clothes were more likely to get tattered and fall apart and were more difficult to wash and since fabric was a much more scarce resource at the time, so keeping clothing usable as long as possible was a much bigger deal than now. And keeping the Sabbath was in some ways the first "labor law", the notion was that everyone deserved at least one day off a week and no one was going to be forced to work all the time. Other examples too.
Logged
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,532
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2022, 04:12:29 PM »

So what’s your opinion of Christian churches that say their focus is on the Old Testament?

I'm not aware of any Christian churches that "focus" on the Old Testament. 
Messianic Jews if you consider them Christian, but they're already pretty controversial. Aside from them the closest would be probably Ethiopian Orthodox.
Logged
I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,532
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2022, 05:09:42 PM »
« Edited: January 06, 2022, 05:16:36 PM by The Inherent Beauty of the Stars in January »

Didn’t Jesus say he was not here to replace the laws set forth in the Old Testament?

Jesus says  He is the fulfillment of the law (Matt. 5:17.)  He introduced a New Covenant (Luke 22:20) that doesn't destroy the law, but completes it.  Hebrew sacrifices were not nullified by the death of Christ; they found their fulfillment in His death.   
So outside of any contradictions now abridged by the New Covenant, the past laws and ethics still stand?
If the sense of "obeying God" counts as an ethic or whatever.

Most relevant passages:

Quote from: Acts 10:9-15
9 The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, 10 and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. 12 In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. 13 Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.”

14 “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.[a]”

15 But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.”

Quote from: Hebrews 8:7-15
7 If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. 8 But when God found fault with the people, he said:

“The day is coming, says the Lord,
    when I will make a new covenant
    with the people of Israel and Judah.
9 This covenant will not be like the one
    I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
    and led them out of the land of Egypt.
They did not remain faithful to my covenant,
    so I turned my back on them, says the Lord.
10 But this is the new covenant I will make
    with the people of Israel on that day,[c] says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds,
    and I will write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.
11 And they will not need to teach their neighbors,
    nor will they need to teach their relatives,[d]
    saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’
For everyone, from the least to the greatest,
    will know me already.
12 And I will forgive their wickedness,
    and I will never again remember their sins.”[e]

13 When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

And for additional context:

Quote from: Galatians 3:23-29
Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The 28th verse of this passage is the most famous, but the "law" being referred to here is the Old Testament law. This along with the context of the other verses is essentially saying that law is now fully obsolete and repealed and the new covenant is for all people, Jews and Gentiles, and that that previous distinction no longer matters. (This is because in the early church where most of the members were converts from Judaism, a lot of them held that being a Christian was still something only "for" Jews, that it was the fulfillment of the Jewish covenant but still didn't apply to outsiders. Paul swatted that down and stated the new Covenant applied to ALL people and the Jew/Gentile distinction was now fully obsolete and the Christians were not from a Jewish background were just as valid.)
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.036 seconds with 12 queries.