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  Do you identify as a theocrat (any religion) or Christian Reconstructionist? (search mode)
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Author Topic: Do you identify as a theocrat (any religion) or Christian Reconstructionist?  (Read 1506 times)
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« on: September 18, 2021, 12:47:56 AM »

I'll admit I find the idea of a Christian theocracy to be appealing, but only if it was an all liberal, all the time one.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2021, 12:46:11 PM »

I'll admit I find the idea of a Christian theocracy to be appealing, but only if it was an all liberal, all the time one.

What do you think liberalism is?
Socially progressive policies and social democratic economics.
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BRTD
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2021, 01:25:11 PM »

I'll admit I find the idea of a Christian theocracy to be appealing, but only if it was an all liberal, all the time one.

What do you think liberalism is?
Socially progressive policies and social democratic economics.
Liberalism is most importantly free democratic elections, the consent of the governed, political and religious pluralism, and free expression. None of which are protected under a theocracy. You are not a liberal.
You seriously think those things would be lacking in a state ran by progressive Christians?
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BRTD
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2021, 01:47:06 PM »

I'll admit I find the idea of a Christian theocracy to be appealing, but only if it was an all liberal, all the time one.

What do you think liberalism is?
Socially progressive policies and social democratic economics.
Liberalism is most importantly free democratic elections, the consent of the governed, political and religious pluralism, and free expression. None of which are protected under a theocracy. You are not a liberal.
You seriously think those things would be lacking in a state ran by progressive Christians?

What do you think a theocracy is? It is anti liberal by definition
But what if it was a theocracy of a liberal religion?
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BRTD
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2021, 02:34:06 PM »

The only thing innate about a theocracy is that it's very strongly influenced by religion and  religious thought.
That's literally the only absolute requirement.
Even a state that is explicitly Christian in terms of its self-proclaimed ideology and places theology as a very real factor in state decisions, but respects the ability of others to follow other religions in a very material way (perhaps belief in that is a major player in the state religion and distinguishing it from other political tendencies of its day), is a theocracy.
If that theology is politically liberal, then you have a liberal theocracy. If that theology is politically conservative, you have a conservative theocracy. And so on.
To argue a theocracy is inherently illiberal is to implicitly argue a secularist state is inherently liberal. And that would also be a laughable claim.
That is not the only innate thing about a theocracy at all. A theocracy is defined as "government by divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided." It is inherently anti democratic. Theocracies are not merely guided or influenced by religion, many many many governments on earth are influenced by religion, and they are far from theocracy. Germany has a Christian Democratic government, Israel's governments have often been guided by religion or had ultra-religious parties in government, many US Presidents have been guided or influenced by religion, and none of these states are theocracies. Theocracies are governments led by religious officials acting on behalf of God. It is impossible for a government that claims to be acting on behalf of God to truly subordinate itself to the masses.

If it submitted itself to democratic elections in which a secular party could possibly take power, then it would not be theocratic. Could I possibly support a progressive Christian political party? Possibly. But I could never support any organization that would take temporal and government power for the purpose of acting with the direct authority of God.
What if there's democratic elections but the Constitution is explicitly based on progressive Christian principles and declares it a progressive Christian state?
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