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Author Topic: Is there a double standard between criticizing Evangelicals and other religions?  (Read 9143 times)
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« on: April 02, 2018, 09:52:49 PM »

The silly thing is the notion that evangelicals are anything resembling a homogeneous group.

A group that includes both me and Mike Pence and a hell of a lot in between is obviously one where broad brush generalizations are almost always going to be nonsensical.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 08:01:04 AM »

LOL no, I dislike evangelical Christians because they claim to care about the Bible (and use the Bible to make my life harder than it has to be because they don't like that I'm attracted to men) but then throw their support behind a blatantly hedonistic, thrice-married, sexual-assaulting serial adulterer instead of the devout Methodist woman, because the Methodist deleted emails, or something.

Hmmm. I worked for the campaign against banning gay marriage in my state. I didn't vote for Trump, or for that matter any other Republican in my life.

How does that apply to me?
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 08:09:47 AM »

The silly thing is the notion that evangelicals are anything resembling a homogeneous group.

A group that includes both me and Mike Pence and a hell of a lot in between is obviously one where broad brush generalizations are almost always going to be nonsensical.

No, actually, Evangelicals are exactly the type of group where broad brush strokes are useful. Few groups that command such substantial membership numbers in American society align so heavily in one direction on most major political or social issues.

You're out of the mainstream, and there's nothing wrong with that, but your viewpoints are an outlier compared to your co-religionists.

Really? My church condemns Trump regularly and even did before the election (although then without saying him by name.) I even once heard a guy preaching talking about how he had just traveled through rural North Carolina and was uncomfortable because "most of the people I was dealing with probably voted for Trump." I've never once heard anyone there say anything remotely pro-Trump. My Facebook feed is always full of posts from people there about how Trump is so un-Godly and how someone following Jesus would be nothing like Trump.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 09:43:04 AM »

Maybe Evangelicals as a whole shouldn't be so hypocritical and actually vehemently against the Christian religion? Anything is fair game when the majority seems to do that. The people who are actually good Christian evangelicals can't complain since they remain silent and do nothing. It's all deserved.
uh that describes me? Wtf?
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2019, 11:50:52 PM »

If it is OK, would it be OK if I looked up Quranic Scripture and made similar parodies?  I don't intend to, but would it be OK?

Yes
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 08:42:07 AM »

Attacking religious groups is perfectly fine, not bigoted and not comparable to bashing based on race, gender or sexual orientation. That's because religion is a chosen trait that one decides for themselves, unlike the other traits. Its more comparable to bashing and attacking members of a political party.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 08:52:44 PM »
« Edited: January 07, 2019, 09:55:48 PM by Julian Assange is a Snowflake »

Attacking religious groups is perfectly fine, not bigoted and not comparable to bashing based on race, gender or sexual orientation. That's because religion is a chosen trait that one decides for themselves, unlike the other traits. Its more comparable to bashing and attacking members of a political party.

Um, no?

Um, yes? One can not change their race or sexual orientation. One can change their religion and political party.
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,287
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 09:56:03 PM »

Attacking religious groups is perfectly fine, not bigoted and not comparable to bashing based on race, gender or sexual orientation. That's because religion is a chosen trait that one decides for themselves, unlike the other traits. Its more comparable to bashing and attacking members of a political party.

Um, no?

Um, yes? One can change their race or sexual orientation. One can change their religion and political party.

Wow, I didn't realize you were so post-modern. Wink

Ugh, what a typo.
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,287
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2019, 11:27:42 PM »

Attacking religious groups is perfectly fine, not bigoted and not comparable to bashing based on race, gender or sexual orientation. That's because religion is a chosen trait that one decides for themselves, unlike the other traits. Its more comparable to bashing and attacking members of a political party.

Um, no?

Um, yes? One can not change their race or sexual orientation. One can change their religion and political party.

     Religion correlates heavily with culture and heritage, and is a deeply personal aspect of one's identity that implies a connection with spirituality, family, culture, and tradition. People throughout history have endured great suffering and even martyred themselves for faith. Just because it isn't an immutable factor, doesn't mean it's a random label that everyone simply adopts as they please. People throughout history have endured great suffering and even martyred themselves for faith. Just because it isn't an immutable factor, doesn't mean it's a random label that everyone simply adopts as they please.

I think BRTD probably doesn't support killing people because of their faith. The problem, rather, is that he probably doesn't see how the relegation of religion to a "vulnerable" trait could lead to just that. Forced conversion has, in the past, been a way of expressing superiority over conquered cultures or some other manner of enforcing conformity with the standards of new rulers. All this aside, one would surely hope that he realizes the extent to which Islamophobia is tied up with race.

That said, he in the past has implied support for state-backed conversion for non-Christian immigrants.

State-backed? No.

And Islamophobia is not a form of racism. Muslims are a VERY diverse in terms of ethnicity religion, and many of those groups have significant non-Muslim members too.
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BRTD
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2019, 01:42:05 PM »

I'm sure this woman would be interested to hear all the Islamophobic hate mail she's received is based on race:


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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,287
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2019, 11:37:06 AM »
« Edited: January 09, 2019, 11:40:58 AM by Julian Assange is a Snowflake »

Attacking religious groups is perfectly fine, not bigoted and not comparable to bashing based on race, gender or sexual orientation. That's because religion is a chosen trait that one decides for themselves, unlike the other traits. Its more comparable to bashing and attacking members of a political party.

Um, no?

Um, yes? One can not change their race or sexual orientation. One can change their religion and political party.

So unless someone makes that conscious effort to change their religion to one you don't disapprove of, it's okay to disparage their faith. Got it.

Um, yeah?

I would NEVER belong to a religious group that marginalizes women and gays and lesbians. Absolute litmus test. It doesn't matter about whatever my heritage and background is, I value my politics FAR more. All liberal all the time after all.

There's no way I could POSSIBLY ever imagine myself being like this:

"Hey I see you're drinking a Coke."
"Yeah, that's what this is."
"I'm not really a fan of Coke. You should try this Pepsi."
"I have actually. I much prefer Pepsi."
"Oh, then why aren't you drinking it instead?"
"Well I grew up drinking Coke and most of my family drinks Coke. And most people with a similar ethnic background makeup as me drink Coke. So even though I despise the aftertaste of it, it wouldn't be right for me to drink anything but Coke."
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,287
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2019, 02:44:17 PM »

Indeed. This type of atheist gets mocked all the time, including by people who aren't religious:
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 02:23:30 PM »

On Atlas, sure, but that's because Atlas is left-leaning, and Evangelicals are (as a whole) strongly Republican-leaning. Surprisingly, there's also a decent amount of malice towards atheists here, not sure why.

In America as a whole, definitely not. While you could certainly find people who attack Christians in America, there's much more anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, and anti-secular sentiment here.

Hate to generalize, but there really are two kinds of atheists.  Only one type gets ridiculed here, and for good reason.

Forgive my ignorance, but what are the two *types* of atheists, exactly?

People who simply don't believe in God, and the Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens types and the people on r/atheism. People who think being an atheist makes them intellectually superior or some sort of ubermensch. Also who push pseudo-historical crap like mythicism.
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