Opinion of the destruction and annihilation of culture

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FYI it's a quote from a song.

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To clarify, I'm obviously not talking about aspects of culture. What American liberals tend to support is severing those from the cultures that spawned them and adding everything to some giant melting pot. Think of things like yoga and ethnic cuisine. American liberals also want people not to be bound to whatever culture they're born into and to follow whatever they want (think of white anime nerds, even if they're not exclusively liberal), and hold that cultural aspects that don't match liberal values need to be disposed of, and their important to any culture is moot. American liberals tend to judge everything on objective grounds.

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Isn't this what people complain about the suburbs?

As I've noted multiple times, this is the case primarily in stereotypically liberal white cities.

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Isn't this what people complain about the suburbs?

As I've noted multiple times, this is the case primarily in stereotypically liberal white cities.

But that's not true. I believe you that it's the case in stereotypically liberal white cities--having never lived in or had any desire to live in one, I have no reason to doubt you--but it's not 'primarily' the case there. As I just said in the other thread, there are way more 'all conservative, all the time' types in this country than 'all liberal, all the time'. This is absolutely one of the problems with suburbs. The only difference is that the preferred model for the nondescript white American norm is different.

shua and Cathcon are, unlike you, making good arguments for a relative lack of concern for preexisting cultural norms being a (philosophically) 'liberal' value. All that that really proves, in this particular argument, is how (philosophically) 'liberal' generic American conservatism is. I get that the notion that the American right is more (philosophically) 'liberal' than the American left is typically a conservative talking point/accusation and so you may very well really not want to buckle under to it, but in this particular case it contains a kernel of truth. Or rather we might say that this is one of the respects in which the American center (such as it is) is less (philosophically) 'liberal' than pundits like to think, since distinguishable cultural minorities have become (to nearly everybody's surprise) a moderating force in American politics in recent decades.

What the hell is Amherst if not full of white liberals?

But as I touched on in the original thread, I think you're underestimating just how alien of a concept this is to me.

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Well if I needed any convincing that assimilation of whites into a general culture in the US and abandonment of the labels they were born with is a good thing, this weekend would've done it.

(For why, compare the reaction to this in the US to the attitudes in ethnostates in Europe. Americans are standing against this specifically BECAUSE of the destruction and annihilation of culutre, they no longer have a culture to "defend")

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You're an idiot. We are standing up against it because these people deserve to not have their culture trampled upon.

Their culture will be destroyed the CORRECT way if they're allowed in, by assimilation. Not the way Trump and other bigots want to destroy it.

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The word "culture" doesn't mean what y'all think it means.

What?

Anyway probably not as I was born without culture and completely detached from my ethnic heritage. My background is "white Midwesterner", the countries my ancestry came from did not impact me.

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The word "culture" doesn't mean what y'all think it means.

What?

Anyway probably not as I was born without culture and completely detached from my ethnic heritage. My background is "white Midwesterner", the countries my ancestry came from did not impact me.

You realize the Midwest itself has a culture, right... never mind.

And BRTD lives in Minneapolis, no less, which is one of the most creative and cultured cities in the country.

But the whites here are just "white", no strong ethnic streaks or heritage. There's no neighborhoods for different white backgrounds like in some places, it's just "white areas" and "minority areas". As I've said many times, even "cultural Catholicism" isn't really a thing here. All the culture here is self-selected and created, not something people are born into.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The word "culture" doesn't mean what y'all think it means.

What?

Anyway probably not as I was born without culture and completely detached from my ethnic heritage. My background is "white Midwesterner", the countries my ancestry came from did not impact me.

You realize the Midwest itself has a culture, right... never mind.

And BRTD lives in Minneapolis, no less, which is one of the most creative and cultured cities in the country.

But the whites here are just "white", no strong ethnic streaks or heritage. There's no neighborhoods for different white backgrounds like in some places, it's just "white areas" and "minority areas". As I've said many times, even "cultural Catholicism" isn't really a thing here. All the culture here is self-selected and created, not something people are born into.

So what?  To not have culture is to not be human.  Minneapolis has its own unique culture, which came as a result of several distinct cultures mixing over a period of time.  Cultures change.  New cultures are created.  We live in a melting pot.  You're not required to embrace the heritage of your ancestors to have culture.

Yeah that's the sort of thing that I'm calling for, and for people to abandon whatever restrictive identities they are born into. To not is basically to act like both a Hindutva supporter or some whiny Tumblr intersectionalist weirdo.

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For example as I've pointed out in another thread, I know Hmong Millennials who behave pretty much identically to white Millennials, including ones in the "scene" and MANY who love Family Guy as much as I do. Many seem to consider themselves more culturally similar to white Vikings fans than Hmong Packers fans.

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To get an idea of what I mean, there's a party in Spain that actually supports what I call for, it's a shame they are so right wing economically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_(Spanish_political_party)

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Parentheses in links suck here. Fixed.

Their leader is from Catalonia and is virulently opposed to Catalan independence or celebrating Catalan culture.

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BRTD, even if we assume that what you want is bith plausible and desirable, that wouldn't be destroying culture,  it would replacing it with a new "all liberal all time" or whatever BS culture.

Well yes but as I've said before that's kind of the goal, to replace it with self-selected cultures. Like for example most would agree my scene is a culture (it is after all a subCULTURE), yet some people have actually tried to argue that someone in it who is Irish or Italian or raised Catholic or whatever still has more ties to that and more in common with people of a similar heritage than other people in the scene which is complete bullsh!t. Do Hmong Millennials here who go to shows with me and have Minnesota accents have more in common with south Minneapolis white Millennials or Hmong back in South East Asia? And as I've also noted before it's effectively already happened in so many places, white people in the most steoretypically liberal cities in America are all effectively "de-ethnicitized" and are just into steroetypical SWPL liberal things, not stuff related to whatever their ancestry is.

(and as I've said before "destruction and annihilation of culture" is from a song.)

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To be honest, my rather hardline views kind of developed in opposition to learning what some people think of in terms of "cultural Catholicism" or what it means to be Jewish here. It's frankly horrifying, and absolutely nothing like any person I've ever met in real life.

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Isn't this what people complain about the suburbs?

As I've noted multiple times, this is the case primarily in stereotypically liberal white cities.

Are liberal White cities better than liberal non-White cities?  Trying to understand why I see the word White in front of liberal so much on this site ... they legitimately get spoken about (literally only by White liberals, of course) as if they are a special kinda of liberal, just because of the color of their skin.

You'll find no group talked about in such a way here.

Well it's not like you can call most non-whites, especially in major cities non-cultural or not traditional....

Although as noted I do know Hmong people who are basically exactly the same sociologically as white scene people whose ancestors came to the country over a century ago.