Opinion of Juggalos

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

One of the worst and dumbest subcultures ever. The way they're like a cult would be creepy if it wasn't just so stupid.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I've read a couple of "embedded journalism" pieces about the Juggalos and their Gathering. I get the impression that they provide a sense of community and family for a lot of people who don't otherwise have one because of various life traumas or disadvantages or just being "different."

Yeah, but writing them off as "white trash" is a lot easier than acknowledging that they're real human beings with emotions and a need to relate to other people.

One of the worst and dumbest subcultures ever. The way they're like a cult would be creepy if it wasn't just so stupid.

BRTD, are you trying to be ironic? This reads exactly like the least charitable reactions to your own subculture of choice. You, more than most people here, should be capable of reading the ugly, classist subtext.

Heh but my subculture hates Juggalos. You should see any messag board's posts on them. They also don't wear facepaint or ridiculous things to shows, or engage in that other ridiculous ritual nonsense. Or listen to music with such an anti-social message. I mean geez, can you imagine Juggalo SJWs?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I've read a couple of "embedded journalism" pieces about the Juggalos and their Gathering. I get the impression that they provide a sense of community and family for a lot of people who don't otherwise have one because of various life traumas or disadvantages or just being "different."

Yeah, but writing them off as "white trash" is a lot easier than acknowledging that they're real human beings with emotions and a need to relate to other people.

One of the worst and dumbest subcultures ever. The way they're like a cult would be creepy if it wasn't just so stupid.

BRTD, are you trying to be ironic? This reads exactly like the least charitable reactions to your own subculture of choice. You, more than most people here, should be capable of reading the ugly, classist subtext.

Heh but my subculture hates Juggalos. You should see any messag board's posts on them. They also don't wear facepaint or ridiculous things to shows, or engage in that other ridiculous ritual nonsense. Or listen to music with such an anti-social message. I mean geez, can you imagine Juggalo SJWs?

BRTD, if I told you I think your hobby is a pointless and absurd waste of time and resources, you probably wouldn't like that very much. It wouldn't be very nice of me to say such a thing. Other people let you and your Ingress people do your weird portal stuff. Let the Juggalos be who they want to be. They're not hurting anyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo_gangs

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

OK my point was simply that there was no hypocrisy in attacking Juggalos from my subculture, it's quite common. Plus consistent. Can you seriously imagine someone who is a fan of this type of band being an ICP fan? I mean even if they liked any hip hop music AT ALL...

Furthermore it's well known that ICP's music is full of misogyny, homophobia and glorifies violence and is extremely un-PC. Is it any surprise it'd be hated by some of the most politically correct out there? I mean, consider that even Dude Fest has come under controversy before due to the name, with some people in some zines finding it sexist. In 2007 there was even "A Different Kind of Dude Fest", a more political and SJW-oriented musical fest of the same type in Baltimore and the name primarily protesting that even if the "Dude Fest" name was a joke it had undertones of the institutionalized sexism of mainstream culture in it. Even some bands that played at the normal Dude Fest played at that. It's no coincidence these Juggalo gangs also popped up. Can you imagine gangs of SJW hardcore fans? Of course not because that'd be completely antithetical to all their values.

Look, the ICP makes objectively terrible music, I find their mannerisms and rituals bizarre myself, and "Miracles" in particular is one of the most aggressively stupid, anti-facts, anti-thought songs ever recorded.

But I'm glad for these folks that they've found a community where they feel like they belong, and Nix and TNF are absolutely right to decry the sneering classism in this thread.  FF in protest.

So then what's your thoughts on the whole DIY post-hardcore/real emo scene? Because you haven't expressed a particularly positive opinion of that in the past.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

But you're not in the scene though. As I've stated before it's pretty much a given that the politics of all the musicians in it are going to be progressive SJW-style and they're known for writing long liner notes and inserts decrying things like sexism and homophobia while showing ultra-political correctness. See for example the title of this song. There's no ideological diversity at all, remember what I say about "all liberal all the time" and thus it's largely just assumed that everyone involved shares the same progressive politics. See how bands have no problems attacking George W. Bush and the Iraq War back in the day, and now things like a band from Wisconsin talking between songs about how terrible Scott Walker is, or the shows to raise money against banning gay marriage in 2012 or how the tons of political lyrics are all clearly progressive. In my entire time there I have NEVER seen anyone express conservative views at a show or party.