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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
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« on: February 10, 2005, 12:32:41 AM »

can someone explain the difference betweent eh two?

Supposedly the hammer and sickle is evil because loads of people were killed by people who used it as their symbol. But loads of people were also killed by the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials, and various purges of Jews in Medevial Europe, etc. But one does not consider the Christian cross to be a symbol of those actions.

Similarily, the hammer and sickle represents the unity of power of workers. One can agree with that and not Stalin's genocide.

I have no problems with either symbol. I agree with what both represent and it's not the genocides committed by those claiming to be Christians or Marxists. So what is wrong with the hammer and sickle?
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2005, 01:43:21 PM »

The Christian cross it the hope of life after death for billions of non-atheists.

myself included.

The hammer and sickle is the wet dream of a kid in Minnesota who dreams of sticking it to dark skinned communist guerillas.

actually it represents a lot more than my sexual fantasies.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2005, 01:53:25 PM »

I'm not really a communist, but if you want to say so, go ahead. I guess many would say it's an oxymoron, but I hear there's a lot in Italy.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,435
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2005, 10:50:53 PM »

I'm not really a communist, but if you want to say so, go ahead. I guess many would say it's an oxymoron, but I hear there's a lot in Italy.

There are a lot in South America. Haven't you heard of Liberation Theology?

yes, I've heard of the term before.

I'm not really a communist, but if you want to say so, go ahead. I guess many would say it's an oxymoron, but I hear there's a lot in Italy.

Then why your reverence for the hammer and sickle? What great hopes and dreams does that symbol hold for you? To mean, it means mass murder, military aggression, gulags and complete economic dysfunction. I can't see anything positive about it.

The liberation of workes from capitalist oppression. The equality of all human people. Those are the ideals it means to me that many who have flown it did not intend to implement.

BTW, what's funny about always using Stalin as some boogeyman to completely discredit an ideology is that a very good chunk of the people Stalin killed were Communists. I think it's pretty safe to say they wouldn't be Stalin supporters.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,435
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 11:04:37 PM »

Every person on this forum is more intelligent than Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. Yet who has more money? Should it be that way?
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