Would you have supported Israel's creation in 1948?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, of course not. It's too bad the British sold out so easily to terrorists.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes, of course. Every people deserves its own State, all the more when you consider what happened to this people in particular.

Netanyahu and the bunch of idiots who govern with him have absolutely nothing to do with the original zionist movement, which was perfectly fairn and legitimate.

This was fair and legitimate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In 1948 I probably would have.. in the spirit of remaking the globe however we liked, which was the norm then.  Who'd have known they'd end up being the new nazis?

I'd have probably made them move to Madagascar or Surinam though. 

Germany would be the most fair location. I wouldn't oppose that.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Germany would be the most fair location. I wouldn't oppose that.

Except there was NO historical claim to Germany.  In Israel, there was a tangible claim.

There was about as much of a logical claim to Israel as there is a legitimate claim of the Irish to northwestern France.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Germany would be the most fair location. I wouldn't oppose that.

Except there was NO historical claim to Germany.  In Israel, there was a tangible claim.

     Except there were plenty of other folks already living on the land. Maybe they should have tried Wyoming.

They could've probably carved away some remote part of Bavaria that would be larger in area than Israel currently is.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, of course not. It's too bad the British sold out so easily to terrorists.

Go away.

How was the King David Hotel bombing not an act of terrorism?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

This is right out of the SS's playbook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yeah, cause living in the heartland of the peoples that just tried to remove your race from the planet sounds like a great plan!  Come on, even in hindsight this "better" idea sounds stupid.

Good thing then Israel was set up in a location where they get along with everyone and there's no wars or fighting ever!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BRTD comparing Israel to the SS

No I didn't.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Just to set the record straight:

1. There was no Palestinian state in 1948 (nor ever) so nothing was taken from anyone.
2. There was a lot of Jews in the area even before WWII, so they didn't get there because the state was created nor because of the Holocaust.

I always find it strange that the left in general is vehemently pro-immigration and considers it horribly racist to, say, argue that a large immigration of Mexicans into the US or of Arabs to Europe constitutes a threat to Western society, but yet, at the same time, thinks that Jews should not have been allowed to migrate into Israel during the 20s and 30s and that, even though this migration was legal and allowed by the authorities it was somehow deeply unethical.

Given what happened in 1937, 1948 and onwards it is pretty clear that another holocaust of Jews was the only realistic alternative to creating the state of Israel.

The Mexicans and Arabs have legitimate reasons for moving (mostly economic plus also moving to more free and liberal countries in Europe), not nationalistic garbage based on some idiotic worship of the land over crap that happened almost 2000 years ago.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Very true. Zionism had massive support among anti-Semites pre-WWII, since it provided a way to get the Jews out of Europe. The fascist regime in Romania was a huge supporter of Zionism.

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And also a big problem with the Mexican/Arab analogy is Mexicans and Arabs don't plan on setting up their own ethnic/religious-based state in the area and ethnically cleansing the locals. Only far right parties like BNP, FN and all that and clowns like Tom Tancredo believe immigrants to the west are in any way comparable to Zionists.

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It's pretty simple and obvious as liberals oppose nationalism. And nationalism was the only reason Jews were moving to Palestine.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes, Israel was a demographically unsustainable country from the start.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, of course not. It's too bad the British sold out so easily to terrorists.

Jews in 1948 were terrorists?  

Obviously incidents like this were justified:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struma_(ship)



On the real world, in 1948, Jews needed a haven where they could be safe from Pogroms and Holocausts.

Not all Jews in 1948 were terrorists. Those fighting to create Israel were: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

It's a shame how Europe has had so many pogroms and Holocausts post-1948. Obviously Israel is a far safer and more peaceful place for Jews than Europe.