Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

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If that happened that's way out of line.

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I don't think this is dead at all (or something substantive dead). I think this has a better chance of passing than ACA did after Brown won. It all depends how hard Biden fights for it, and I expect he'll fight hard for it. Machin's human. He can be moved. Remember when 1.5 trillion was a hard line for him? Now he's at 1.75.

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I agree the procedural filibuster is BS. But on the other hand, there is no way to do a vote on most things without one unless Manchin and Sinema and maybe ~10 other Dems agree it should be gone.

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We still need Manchin to be a Dem or at least caucus with the Dems so that Schumer can put nominations on the floor. If McConnell is leader he can block anybody he wants even if they have the votes, including a hypothetical Breyer replacement, for example.

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A man operating in bad faith can't be trusted on any issue. If a high profile cabinet or supreme court vacancy, bribes will poor in and he'll begin to waffle.

I'm fully aware it's bad politics and will accelerate his party switch, but I really do hope they throw his vile daughter in a cell.

Well as long as he doesn't change his vote on Senate control it doesn't matter for nominations whether he can be trusted or not. Most nominations are passing with room to spare. If he goes Republican who knows how many even get a vote.

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Other than the fact that Schumer is lousy at his job, why is the Senate not voting on Sanders's version of the bill? Manchin and Sinema are no longer worthy of respect or deference. So start making them vote, start making them explain themselves. Over and over and over again ...

Because that burns the reconciliation attempt. Unless you mean to bring it up under normal order, in which case at most they get to vote for cloture, which will fail.

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Yeah I don't think it's dead.

I don't think this is dead at all (or something substantive dead). I think this has a better chance of passing than ACA did after Brown won. It all depends how hard Biden fights for it, and I expect he'll fight hard for it. Machin's human. He can be moved. Remember when 1.5 trillion was a hard line for him? Now he's at 1.75.

I still feel this way.

Sunday sucked, but looking better now.

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It's obviously not dead. Manchin is still negotiating. He could have skipped that 90 minute conference call about it. He didn't. CTC in the bill may be dead though.

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That title is misleading. He didn't express concerns about the price tag of the defense bill.

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I don't think it's dead while they're still working on it, but unpin sure. I'm sure Barnes will keep it bumped.

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Well the problem with standalone votes is one of them burns your reconciliation chance. Unless the goal is regular order, but I don't think any of the big ticket items can reach cloture. Some of the smaller stuff sure.

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So if he only cares about his near term approval rating, then sure abandon BBB. But that's not what it's about.

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But it's posted in the BBB thread, which seems to imply he should therefore focus on inflation at the expense of BBB. I think he should focus both.

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If this can't happen, then it's time to hold a doomed to fail vote on BBB to highlight his lack of compatability with literally every other Democrat in the Senate, strip him of his Chairmanship, and then move on. I'm tired of his antics and bread crumbs. Unless Manchin is going to be apologetic and serious about this, I'm not interested.

Well I need him to vote for the SCOTUS appointee so maybe we can wait till after the mid terms to start antagonizing him further.

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Pass it!

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Well if Sinema would let us pay for it properly it probably wouldn't be so bad for inflation.

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They stopped simulcasting Sky News actually.

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I don't know how many times I heard Dem congressmen and women say over and over again, day after day, week after week, that failure is not an option. But failure happened.

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If Americans elected Biden to be the next FDR, they would have given him more than 50 Senate seats and more than 220 House seats.

The Congressional makeup doesn't tell you that. It could be the case that a vast majority of those who voted for Biden wanted him to do something like BBB and also voted Dem for House & Senate.

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In a major boost to Democrats, Manchin and Schumer announce deal for energy and health care bill

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin on Wednesday announced a deal on an energy and health care bill, representing a breakthrough after more than a year of negotiations that have collapsed time and again.

But it will face furious GOP opposition.

With a deal in hand, the health and climate bill stands a serious chance of becoming law as soon as August -- assuming Democrats can pass the bill in the House and that it passes muster with the Senate parliamentarian to allow it to be approved along straight party lines in the budget process.

And while Manchin, a moderate from Democrat from West Virginia, scuttled Biden's Build Back Better bill, the final deal includes a number of provisions Manchin had privately scoffed at -- including on climate change.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/schumer-manchin-deal-build-back-better/index.html

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I guess it was key that everyone believed Manchin that there would be no deal lol

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Can we actually see if this even gets to the point of being voted on before we celebrate?

I can't blame anyone for still being cautious in the face of this decent news.

Schumer already said they'd like to take it up next week.

Can't see this failing; Sinema has no major reason not to support and she usually only fails to support things when she can also hide behind Manchin as well. Can't do that this time. Meanwhile, besides maybe 1-3 people in the house who tend to be problematic, I can't imagine this will be a hard sell. Also, all of them know this is a must win at this point if they want any chance in Nov

It could fail if somebody else gets Covid. e.g. Machin just had it.

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Manchin said today he hasn't talked with Sinema about this.

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Hoyer says he is confident that if the Senate passes it, the House will pass it. Regarding SALT, he hopes the members will look at the donut and not the hole.

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Seems like a bit of an overreaction here. The bill isn't dead at all. She just hasn't guaranteed she'll support a wraparound amendment that cancels all the republican amendments that pass. And if all she really cares about is carried interest, that's not even that a big of a change in terms of the total size of the bill.