Major Alert : We found the Terrorists who took the weapons

[J. J.]

In all fairness, the HMX is still up in the air. 

It doesn't really look too promising for Kerry's 360 metric tons of explosives to have been smuggled out under a burka.  :-)

[J. J.]

Yep!  It is.  At least when Bush gets something wrong there is a ton of evidence supporting the wrong conclusion.  Kerry must be really smart in comparison, for he can make a wrong conclusion without evidence.

[J. J.]

You Bush supporters are spinning and spinning on this.

Are any of you willing to consider the possibility the Bush/Rumsfeld invasion plan was flawed?

First rule of war. "Military plans become obsolete on the first contact with the enemy."

You evade the question.

Should this facility have been secured?  yes/no

Did the plan call for it to be secured? yes/no

Collectiveinterest, I answered your question, with candor, about the war plans on another thread.

If they sent one soldier per metric ton, you have to nearly send every soldier on active duty to Iraq; to put them on twelve hour shifts (they have to get some sleep), you would need 190% of the Army to guard them.  There were simply too much to practically guard.

Now the question is, is it a good idea to get rid of a guy, who has invaded neighboring countries, used WMD's, plotted to assassinate a former US President, has about a ton of explosives per US Army soldier and did have a record of sheltering terrorists?  My vote is yes.

[J. J.]

ATTENTION!!!!!!!  Feckless Crapweasel Alert!!!!!!!  Collective thinks that Allawi is the New Saddam.  What intellectual depth.  Has Allawi killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis?  Has Allawi invaded a neighboring country?  Has Allawi lobbed SCUD missile at Israel?  Has Allawi killed his own people with deadly chemicals?  Has Allawi allowed his sons to commit mass murder.

Earth to Collective....Earth to Collective.

you once had a shred of believability.....GONE

According to a recent estimate the US occupation has killed 1/3 the civilians SH's gov't killed. SH took 24 years. the occupation took 18 months.

Allawi hasn't had 24 years to do everything SH has done.

Saddam did not have to deal with insurgents on this level.

[J. J.]

They confessed to removing 250+ tons of weapons including RDX.  They claim to have destroyed the weapons but may have some pictures of the material before they did.  Probably will not satisfy the UN or their supporters.

Who are these villians?  The US MILTARY doing their normal outstanding job.  Will the Times or CBSNews admit to bad reporting?  Will Kerry apologize?  Of course not.

John Kerry always willing to believe the UN even without proof. John Kerry never willing to believe our miltary even with proof.   

Got a link for your propaganda?

I don't have a link to any propaganda, but here is the news story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

BTW, didn't you claim that a story was retracted, where is the link related to that?

[J. J.]

Got a link for your propaganda?

I don't have a link to any propaganda, but here is the news story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

BTW, didn't you claim that a story was retracted, where is the link related to that?

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Let's see
1. No proof it was HMX
2. It was only 250 tons
3. No talk about IAEA seals
4. The Pentagon already has a credibility problem.

Yawn.

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Let's see:

1.  Guy who blew it said it included HMX.
2.  250 tons of 360 Kerry said was lost.
3.  Nobody was looking for the seals.
4.  No credibility problem, and it's not nice to criticize the military in the field.

5.  JFOOL reading comprehension problems.
6.  JFOOL still can't answer the "retracted" story question.

[J. J.]

At this point I don't think that the US is better off that we invaded Iraq.  All things considered.

And with 100000 dead in Iraq I don't think they are better off either.  Most of Saddam's most brutal killings occured in the mid 1980s when Rumsfeld was selling him chemical weapons to use against Iran.

There were the mass killings right after the gulf war when Bush I said the US said that they would support a shiite uprising and then decided not to.  Saddam killed his insurgents.

Alawi has killed prisoners, point blank in prison and thats only what we have heard of.  Give him time.  He could become worse than Saddam.  Most tyrants were US allies when they started.

Considering Rumsfelt wasn't in the government at the time and the Iraqis were manufacturing chemical weapons, I'd say retro is not the way to go.

[J. J.]

Got a link for your propaganda?

I don't have a link to any propaganda, but here is the news story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

BTW, didn't you claim that a story was retracted, where is the link related to that?

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Let's see
1. No proof it was HMX
2. It was only 250 tons
3. No talk about IAEA seals
4. The Pentagon already has a credibility problem.

Yawn.

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Let's see:

1.  Guy who blew it said it included HMX.
2.  250 tons of 360 Kerry said was lost.
3.  Nobody was looking for the seals.
4.  No credibility problem, and it's not nice to criticize the military in the field.

5.  JFOOL reading comprehension problems.
6.  JFOOL still can't answer the "retracted" story question.

1. Where's the guy?
2. Still another 110 tons
3. Why not? The IAEA warned that this was the top site
4. I'm critizing the Pentagon, which got busted lying. It's Guilani who is blaming the rank and file soliders, not me.

In order, jFOOL:

1.  The major who was in command of the demolition.  Major Austin Pearson.

2.  Possibly moved prior to the invasion (remember those trucks).

3  It's very interesting that you mention the IAEA warning.  Here is what MSMBC says the date way:

May 3
The nuclear agency purportedly notifies the U.S. Mission in Vienna of its concerns about the Al-Qaqaa facility.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

You'll note that the warning was after the site was occupied and that within 10 days of the warning being given to a diplomat in Vienna, it was destroyed.  You will also note that the first inspection occured 5 days after the note was given.  My-oh-my they were really dragging their feet.

5.  JFOOL, you still have not answered my question about the "retracted" story.  That alone should a good be a good enough reason not to trust anything you ever say.  

[J. J.]

Wow, <<JFOOL's tasteless comment reveiling his ignorance further delete>>, do you have negative trust in Bush, then?
The IAEA warned the US on April 10th.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=1&u=/ap/20041029/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_weapons

One again, here is what the story really said:

Fleming did not say which officials were notified or when, but she said the IAEA — which had put storage bunkers at the site under seal two months before the war — alerted the United States about Al-Qaqaa after the Tuwaitha nuclear complex was looted. The IAEA said it informed U.S. officials separately of the Tuwaitha looting on April 10.

The spokeswoman, Fleming, didn't commit to the date; this sounds like someone at IAEA trying a little CYA, since they won't say.  MSNBC has the date of the information on May 3, 2003.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

MSNBC has a good chronology which lists the dates.  The letter reference is very specific.  I would expect a dated letter to be in existence

[J. J.]

There are real problems with Kerry's credibility.  There are even bigger problems with jFOOL's credibility.  He's a party hach that spins like a top, can't handle the truth, and then cusses or avoids the question.