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Mr. Illini
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« on: December 12, 2019, 07:05:35 PM »

In addition to the global trends, this was a total failure on the part of anti-Brexit crowd to unite against Boris.

They did it on the Leave side with BXP standing down in Tory districts.

LibDems and Labour failed to get along in the same way.

Democrats in the US have to take note. Moderate Dems, progressives, moderate Republicans must wholly unite against Trump or assure re-election.

That of course is directed at all parties, as in the UK it was, I would argue, the center and center-left that refused to get behind Corbyn.
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Mr. Illini
liberty142
Junior Chimp
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E: -4.26, S: -3.30

« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2019, 11:07:30 PM »

Corbyn out and Swinson defeated in her own seat. What a nightmare day for both Labour and LibDems.

Obviously Britons are sending a message, regardless of whether I or my Europhile friends across the pond agree with it.
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Mr. Illini
liberty142
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Political Matrix
E: -4.26, S: -3.30

« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2019, 11:28:43 PM »

Corbyn out and Swinson defeated in her own seat. What a nightmare day for both Labour and LibDems.

Obviously Britons are sending a message, regardless of whether I or my Europhile friends across the pond agree with it.
Not really. Most Brits are voting Lab+Lib+Grn+SNP. FPTP is just bullsh*t.

An easy excuse. The game has always been the same. Labour is losing seats its held for decades.
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Mr. Illini
liberty142
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2019, 11:14:13 AM »

We're not in America. Stop comparing this to the democrats.

Sure.  But places like Putney and Canterbury going to LAB while the North shifting to CON looks a awful like VA and CO going to Dems while WI PA and MI moving toward GOP.

But the Northwest and Northeast of England actually have had decades of socialist tradition...they didn't fail to vote for Corbyn's Labour Party purely out of ideology. A left-wing leader with a clear opinion on Brexit and with a clear agenda to combat and expel anti-semitic/hateful members of the party would have done well, I think. It's just that Corbyn came across as so weak on so many issues except fighting austerity, which is an issue that voters had already made their minds up on.

Are you suggesting that Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania do not have strong socialist traditions?

Something they share with the north of England is that those socialist traditions were rooted in a strong labor movement, which has all but disappeared along with those jobs, leaving the people there susceptible to nationalist and racist sentiment.
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Mr. Illini
liberty142
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Posts: 6,854
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2019, 11:34:46 AM »

#BritainFirst = #England(andWales)Alone?

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