Vice Presidential Nomination

[Јas]

So I'm left, for the second time, to nominate a VP at short notice in order to have him nominated or rejected in the next few days so that government can get moving again.

It's a little unfair to suggest that the Atlasian government is stalled because there isn't a sitting VP.

[Јas]

So I'm left, for the second time, to nominate a VP at short notice in order to have him nominated or rejected in the next few days so that government can get moving again.

It's a little unfair to suggest that the Atlasian government is stalled because there isn't a sitting VP.

The Immigration Bill is stalled and the proceedings to remove Porce are as well

I'll grant that the Immigration Bill is in limbo, however, the business of government continues on other matters. The Immigration Bill, though important, is not emergency legislation so a delay of a matter of days is hardly critical.

As to the proceedings to remove Porce, they are really quite likely to be in vain. Who would replace him? The number of people in the Senate who (a) want the job and (b) are competent to do the job, rules out just about everybody. There can be little doubt that if Porce was removed as PPT, this would cause a much greater stalling on Senate business than the absence of a VP.

[Јas]

So I'm left, for the second time, to nominate a VP at short notice in order to have him nominated or rejected in the next few days so that government can get moving again.

It's a little unfair to suggest that the Atlasian government is stalled because there isn't a sitting VP.

My business is stalled; when I was elected I promised I would actively seek the vice president to take a hands on role. The one body I have created, the Council sits in limbo without a VP. To say my patience with the Senate (and the passive reactions shown by some members towards the PPT's unconstituional actions) has worn a little thin is a bit an understatement

I can, to some extent sympathise with your position.

However, if I may, surely the Council can operate without the VP - as it is in effect your personal advisory council (and so not burdened by constitutional or statutory rules as to its composition), you could, even as an interim measure, instruct your VP nominee to begin working with the Council.

Secondly, I think it's important to point out that the PPT's actions may have breached Senate procedure, but his actions weren't actually unconstitutional. This is a very important distinction - especially to me, speaking as someone who sought his impeachment before for what I perceived as unconstitutional behaviour.

It is also, to my mind, worthy of consideration that though his actions were procedurally unsound, they did serve to underline concerns about the nominees competence as a potential President of the Senate.

[Јas]

It is also, to my mind, worthy of consideration that though his actions were procedurally unsound, they did serve to underline concerns about the nominees competence as a potential President of the Senate.

But he has only highlighted concerns about his own competence, which to me is now in doubt. He sought to pin charges of possible future incompetence or an inability to understand rules and procedures upon my nominee when his own competence and understanding (even manipulation) of Senate rules has now been called into question.

I don't believe that the PPT's competence can really be called into question - this is his 3rd term (IIRC) now. His actions could be claimed to be an abuse of power, but that goes to credibility not competence.

I'd also suggest that that it was actual and current incompetence that was being underlined, as opposed to possible future incompetence.

However, at this point, it seems that my differences with your position are at a semantic level and over just quite how serious the irregularities should be treated. On these, there is really no option but to agree to disagree.

[Јas]

As to the proceedings to remove Porce, they are really quite likely to be in vain. Who would replace him? The number of people in the Senate who (a) want the job and (b) are competent to do the job, rules out just about everybody. There can be little doubt that if Porce was removed as PPT, this would cause a much greater stalling on Senate business than the absence of a VP.

I object to you saying I am unqualified for the job of PPT

If I may, I didn't explicitly rule out any particular individual as incompetent to hold the position. There are a number of Senators whom I would have complete faith in their competence as PPT.

However, and I genuinely mean no offence, you, Senator, have displayed a lack of knowledge of the Constitution and the rules of Senate procedure, which could lead to the presumption that you are not yet qualified for the position.

[Јas]

I think you're qualified enough to replace Porce as PPT.

Well thank you, but I have no interest in seeking the position.

As for how the 'irregularities' should be treated I have not called for any specific discipline, that is up to the Senate.

Well on that we agree.